Technical Death Metal writing/composing help

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  1. xiphoscesar

    xiphoscesar SS.org Regular

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    so i wanna get into writing technical death metal stuff like riffs and all

    but i dont know where to start or how to get started :scratch:

    i really like necrophagist's style and a bit of origin's too,
    and also this that was posted around last week on here


    :bowdown:

    and i keep my guitar at E standard just incase anybody asks what i tune to
     
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    I would say get your down picking as best as you possibly can and come up with tremolo or fast picked melodies. But mainly work on rhythm first. Hope that helps.:yesway:
    Awesome video!
     
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    Work on your alt picking, trem picking and string skipping, alot. And chromatic scales are your friend.
     
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    Mr. Big Noodles Theory God

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    Minor and diminished chords, scales based around those, don't chug too much.
     
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    OrsusMetal In brightest day...

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    Strict alternate picking for rhythm work will help a ton. Also what SchecterWhore said.
     
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    Um, its like everything else, lots of practice :lol:

    Learn a few tech songs and see how THEY built them up so you have some tools in your box to work with. Try some necrophagist or spawn of possession
     
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    Listen to Decapitated, Soreption, Martyr, Necrophagist, The Faceless, Psycroptic, Brain Drill, Decrepit Birth, Hour of Penance, Psycroptic, Scarve and Gorod and learn from the masters :yesway:
     
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    just play whatever sounds good and tech-y for you. after all, you write music for yourself, not others
     
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    That is some sweet-ass guitar playing.
     
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    I approve of the double mention:shred:
     
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    Haha damnit I knew I'd mentioned someone twice.
     
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    ok im gonna sound like a noob for asking this ....
    but how do u apply those? like do u play the notes that are in the diminished and minor chords? cause i get confused when it comes to that type of stuff


    and thnx guys
    try to keep em coming if you can
     
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    This video was posted in the 12 Tone-thread. It explains a cool use of a 12 Tone row made of disminished 7th chords, in a technical death metal context.
     
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    Yes, yes lots of Psycroptic. All you need to do is tune to Drop D.

    EDIT: That above video is fucking awesome. I do something perhaps kind of similar, at least similar to the very first thing he shows you, using all twelve notes in some random combination. I'm a dolt with theory so I can't actually make all that much sense of what is being explained, but Ron is explaining it very well. What I do is write a riff using every note only once, it's kind of fun and you can come up with some really neat weird sounding riffs when you stumble upon a particular combination by accident. I write everything by accident.
     
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    thnx man
    and the cool thing is that this ron guy teaches in the south side from where i live at
     
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    Get lessons from Ron then :p
     
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    The Jarzombek example is good.


    This is sort of where I was going:

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    This is a diminished seventh chord - 
    
    e-----9-12
    b---11
    G-12
    D-
    A-
    E-
    
    
    This is a melodic idea based around that chord -
    
    e-----9-t14-/15-p9-11/12
    b---11
    G-12
    D-
    A-
    E-
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    Again, a diminished chord -
    
    e-
    b-
    G-
    D-----6-9
    A-5-8
    E-
    
    Here's a little melodic idea that you can cycle really fast, with just that
    arpeggio and two passing tones -
    
    e-
    b-
    G-
    D-------6-8-9-8-6------
    A-5-6-8-----------8-6-5
    E-
    Code:
    In a similar fashion, here's a minor chord -
    
    e-
    b-
    G----------11
    D-------11
    A-9-12
    E-
    
    And a couple embellishments to make a melody -
    
    e-
    b-
    G---------11-10-9
    D---------11-10-9
    A-9-10-12
    E-
     
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    that's not a minor chord there, that's F#aug
     
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    Oops, I had it on the wrong string. Fixed.
     
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    ok so let me see if i got this

    he plays the notes from the dimished chords like lets say d# dimished 7th
    which contains the notes D#. F# C and A

    does the play like those four notes when top(low) strings
    and only play those notes in the riff?
     

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