Stupidly but unsurprisingly, AL chief judge declares state law trumps federal law

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  1. Explorer

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    Roy Moore orders ban on same-sex marriage licenses

    Worth noting, Moore had previously been removed from office for refusing to follow a court order to remove a 10 Commandments monument from the Alabama Judicial Building.

    Lynyrd Skynyrd. previously criticized dumb bigots in their song "Sweet Home Alabama," with the famous line, "In Birmingham they love the governor... boo! Boo! Boo!" Here's hoping that this particular dumb bigot again gets tossed out, and (for not understanding the law, and even obstructing it) gets barred from holding that position again.

    My condolences to the good people of Alabama that there were enough 'Murcans to get Moore installed again.
     
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    I think you mean Lynyrd Skynyrd.
     
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    Get it together Explorer!
     
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    lol when I read that I was like, woah! I never knew that song was a cover!
     
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    To stay OT, do you guys think this will uphold?
    It's kinda reminiscent to me of Washington/ Colorado basically telling the Fed's to fark off with the marijuana legislation (not to expand on that issue).
    I know little about constitutional laws regarding state vs. federal other than what most people learn in high school. But if my *limited* knowledge serves me right then this could quickly be overturned, yes?
    I feel like it will be as well seeing how controversial the subject is throughout the country, I can't imagine Obama let a state being all "Screw the queermosexuals and you, we do what we want"
     
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    [​IMG]

    Chalk it up to a recent southern rock list someone set up on Spotify. We were naming all kinds of bands for someone who wasn't sure what we were talking about.

    Fixed for reasons noted in first post's editing comment.

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    Back on topic regarding someone else's mistaken ideas, the Supreme Court denied Alabama's stay, meaning they've affirmed the lifting of the stay.

    Judge Roy Moore defies feds: ‘Law is very clear’

    So, if the Supreme Court has refused to grant Moore's desires, and let him know in writing... how stupid is Moore to not get the message?

    I'm thinking that Moore wants to be remembered in history like other greats like George Wallace.
     
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    I don't see how anyone could feel "great" because of this defiant decision.
    The only thing he'll be remembered in history for is trying to keep the far outdated and bigoted ideals that existed 100 years ago alive in 'Bama.
    Hopefully no homosexuals sneeze near him, I hear that's how you catch the gay.
     
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    The closer and closer minority parties get to recognized legitimacy the louder and louder the people who want those minorities to remain illegitimate will be. This is the (somewhat prolonged) last gasp of mainstream bigotry, and it will pass.
     
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    You can be a judge w/o knowing the law? I went to school for what exactly? :scratch:
     
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    So wait a minute... You were listening to a bunch of random southern rock and then happened upon this gem? I'm sorry for taking it back off topic, but I find this coincidence damn crazy. :rofl:
     
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    I think it was last week that one guy found out someone else was from Tennessee. That started things rolling with someone singing a few bars of "Southern Man," and then the set-up of a list on the Spotify account.

    When someone was singing along with Sweet Home Alabama, they said "Hoo, hoo, hoo!" and I corrected them. We looked up the lyrics, and found the stories about it being about the band booing Wallace's bigotry, and of those who loved Wallace for it.

    The Moore story has been developing, but the George Wallace thing is just too evident. Moore says he disagrees with standing in the door to prevent one group from getting equal rights with another. Oh, wait... he said that he was against such discrimination in a place where that side lost decades ago.

    "I disagree with standing in the schoolhouse door to prevent blacks from getting equal education."

    Okay, so you can see equal rights for all races as being capable of overcoming centuries of not doing so. That's easy, because it's already a done deal, and Wallace lost by trying to keep that discrimination from the centuries in place.

    What about equal marriage rights?

    "We're talking about a constitutional amendment to preserve the recognition that marriage is one man and one woman, as it has been for centuries."

    Great argument against marriage equality, just as it was for keeping slavery and preventing equal education for all citizens.

    For the record, Konfyouzd, I'd definitely vote in a judge who not only was blessedly free of that kind of idiocy, but who knew the law as well.

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    BTW, and also for the record, the group I listen to , and insisted on having added to the southern rock list, is Molly Hatchet.

    Flirtin' with Disaster.

    Y'all for damm sure know what I mean.
     
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    You'd be surprised how many law positions don't require an education (or at least a law education). Even the ones that do aren't exactly specific on where you get that education and if you live somewhere where they vote in judges then it's quite possible they are complete morons too, especially since most judge seats run uncontested in smaller cities.
     
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    Publicly elected judges is among one of the worst political ideas ever in modern politics.
     
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    Preaching to the choir. It frustrates me every election cycle.
     
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    I was doing a little reading about Roy Moore, and found that there are Americans who not only applaud Moore's views, but who are just as scary and approving of religious violence as the Charlie Hebdo killers and Islamic State.

    I didn't realize that in an actual court decision in which Moore denied custody to a lesbian of her minor children, Moore actually stated that he viewed it appropriate to use the death penalty on homosexuals. I actually found out on the website of the upstanding Landover Baptist Church, which applauds that kind of Christian violence and bloodlust, and talks about what the heathens have coming to them.

    They had an applauding link to this site, which lays out Moore's words in the Feb 2002 section:

    I again have to note, it appears that Moore, like Islamic State and other violent fundamentalists, aren't making these justifications up. It is only because people have decided to substitute their own morality for the explicitly laid-out called-for violence that makes those religions evolve and mellow, and eventually to ignore the violent urges and orders of their dark lords.

    Also, Moore clearly bases his court cases on his religion more than on any federal and state laws.

    Landover Baptist Church, you are fucking nut jobs. You should be on a terrorist watch list. That even goes for those members who decided to keep going there, instead of running for the hills when the crazy oozed out.
     
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    Explorer, you are aware that Landover Baptist is a satire site, right? The quote linked is real, but Landover Baptist isn't.

    From the very bottom of their terms of service page:
    If you're of the opinion that it's horrifying that the actions and stated beliefs of real American Christians have made this site seem plausible I'd agree.
     
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    Remember, this is the judge that refused to obey SCOTUS over the 10 Commandments Plaque, was terminated, and then re-elected by the citizens of AL.

    Supreme arrogance due to ignorance and theist hypocrisy.

    Ray
     
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    Hell, if you can be a pornstar and then act as a qualified specialist in immunochemistry for the anti-vaccination movement, I'd say the skies the limit.
     
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    Well... Moore has now ordered judges to not obey the Supreme Court decision.

    Oddly enough, he bases his claimed support, for ignoring the Supreme Court, upon Supreme Court decisions, which he claims don't count.

    wut.

    https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/roymoore-adminorder_jan6-2016.pdf

    The circularity of his argument is just bizarre.

    I think it's now been referred to the same judicial review group which previously removed Moore for refusing to remove the ten commandments from his courtroom. If so, they're probably not going to be happy about having to cover this twice with Moore.
     
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