I think the topic is too deep to convey in a few forum posts. I don't care about gold. I referenced public law, if you took some time to look them up you'd understand what I am talking about. Commerce deals with debt and credit only, as the U.S. is chapter 11 bankrupt. The money you earn from work is equity money. Commerce uses money of account, or fiat currency. How can The U.S. Be considered an oligarchy if there is no money for them to spend? They use your SS-5 as a promise of future labor to satisfy the bank. The IRS was put in place to make sure they comply with their contract. They issue "bills" as a request for more credit. Which makes you a creditor. HJR 192 states that you cannot pay a debt with a debt, and the US has not provided a remedy, therefore we use our earned "equity" money to settle debts created with money of account. That's the scam. They cheat you every time they send a "bill". It is a presentment without a remedy.