Study finds that US is an Oligarchy, not a democracy...

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  1. DudeManBrother

    DudeManBrother Blames it on "the rain"

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    I think the topic is too deep to convey in a few forum posts. I don't care about gold. I referenced public law, if you took some time to look them up you'd understand what I am talking about. Commerce deals with debt and credit only, as the U.S. is chapter 11 bankrupt. The money you earn from work is equity money. Commerce uses money of account, or fiat currency. How can The U.S. Be considered an oligarchy if there is no money for them to spend? They use your SS-5 as a promise of future labor to satisfy the bank. The IRS was put in place to make sure they comply with their contract. They issue "bills" as a request for more credit. Which makes you a creditor. HJR 192 states that you cannot pay a debt with a debt, and the US has not provided a remedy, therefore we use our earned "equity" money to settle debts created with money of account. That's the scam. They cheat you every time they send a "bill". It is a presentment without a remedy.
     
  2. DudeManBrother

    DudeManBrother Blames it on "the rain"

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    Or to use slightly incorrect terms but is easier to understand, you use your paycheck to pay bills that were already agreed as unpayable when the U.S. Filed for bankruptcy. They then use your paycheck money to create more fiat currency through fractional banking.

    If you want to know how much money you have in your bank, you can request a bank statement. It contains an account balance. A positive amount, right? If you get a "Bill" in the mail, I bet it doesn't say anywhere on it that it is a bill, I bet it says statement. And I bet the amount you "owe" is listed as an account balance. A positive amount. Sound familiar? There is only one actual bill that I know of that gets into our hands, the dollar BILL as in debt note of varying amount. /end rant
    Back to guitars and less depressing topics. New Black Dahlia and Gorod soon!
     
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    UnderTheSign SS.org Regular

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    I googled a bunch of the stuff you said and barely found anything. Got some links?
     
  4. DudeManBrother

    DudeManBrother Blames it on "the rain"

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    first link is the HJR 192, second link gives access to U.S. Codes and UCC plus many more, but the best idea is to write stuff on a piece of paper and take it to the library and read it directly from the books. If I was ripping everyone off, I wouldn't want it all over Google either lol.

    http://famguardian.org/subjects/MoneyBanking/Money/1933-HJR192.pdf
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text

    If I have time after work, I'll edit this post with more links

    EDIT: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=14617 (Roosevelt's address at White House's Governor Conference; March 6 1933- special attention to the words chosen in the third proposition: a reorganization and consolidation of local government to reduce the taxation costs ie chapter 11)
     
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    Shure, that holds true for pretty much everything. And I'm certainly not advocating returning to a gold standard. But gold is valuable as a commodity, separate from any use of it as a currency, because it is used in making computers, cell phones, gaming consoles, jewelry, etc. So its utilitarian value to industry and ladies combined with its scarcity yields a pretty steady baseline demand.


    While this approach provides fewer tools with which to work, it can have a purpose. Many countries peg their currency to the US dollar to facilitate trade, for example (e.g., Saudi Arabia).


    Any increase in the supply of money (e.g., the creation of new money, not just selling T bills or something) sizeable enough to stimulate the economy will almost certainly result in inflation, liquidity trap or no.

    Also, to go off on a bit of a tangent, I'm not sure there is any real shortage of demand for money at the moment. What we are currently experiencing appears to be more of a fear of debt after the housing bubble burst and the resulting depression that we've just come through than an actual lack of demand for money. If money were made available to people through tax credits/rebates or similar rather than via low interest credit, I'm pretty sure most people would spend that money rather than save or invest it.
     
  6. asher

    asher So Did We

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    Pegging to another nation's currency is much different than pegging to an asset.

    No, seriously, printing money at the zero lower bound in a liquidity trap isn't inflationary (I'm looking for one of ours but I should stop. Japan in their turn of the century ZLB trap):

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    Actually, here's one:

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    I think this is O/T relative to DMB's... interesting... and mostly baseless assertions.

    Fun fact: Know what else is a bill?

    A bill of sale (receipt); the billing for a show (who's playing); the billboard (a board displaying the billing of the show...)

    ed2: Chapter 11 wasn't created until the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 1978.
     
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    tedtan SS.org Regular

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    Interesting. I'll have to do a little more research on the historical effects of printing money in such situations.

    Anyway, back on topic...
     
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    asher So Did We

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    I'm pretty sure I've seen one about what the Fed did in the last few years that looks basically exactly like Japan's.

    If we were out of the zero lower bound/liquidity trap, then normal conditions apply, and yeah, it'd be inflationary.
     
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    DudeManBrother Blames it on "the rain"

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    A bill of sale has substance attached to it, ie a car. What value and to whom is a car without the title? What value and to whom is a title without the car? Now to get that title...
    If the U.S. Came out and said, whoops we made a deal with the federal reserve that we can't pay, can you please pay it? You'd have outrage by the public! So there was a different approach IMO and many others.
    Read if you like, and I'm sorry to OP for essentially thread jacking, continue on!
    The United States Isn't a Country — It's a Corporation!
     
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    asher So Did We

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    Holy crap that web site is full of the crazy (completely unsourced, of course).
     
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    Andromalia Pardon my french

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    No, but there were times and places where/when the poor decided not to let them and won.
     
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    you mean like the French Revolution that killed about 40,000 people?

    or maybe the Arab Spring, death toll currently about 150,000 and climbing rapidly - had the side effect of making the area fertile ground for radical terrorist groups which will kill more people elsewhere, and leading to the refugee crisis

    maybe you could also lump Communist revolutions under this heading. by some estimates Communism killed 94,000,000 people in the 20th century.

    the only alternative to money is blood, and lots of it
     
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    asher So Did We

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    Try the Progressive Era, mayhaps.
     
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    More like the only alternative to Money and Blood, is Blood and lots of it.

    We don't really have a good system. What is being called, "Democratic Socialism," but should more likely be called, "Democratic Capitalism," is probably the best system so far.
     
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    List of Countries Forecast 2025
    Anybody ever heard of the Deagel corporation? They seem to be business partners with many agencies, including NSA, NATO, World Bank, and the UN among many others. To say the population forecast they predict over the next ten years is frightening, would be a gross understatement. Namely the United States and Japan. How does our population go from 318.9M people down to 64.8M and the military defense budget go from 756M to 7.2M in a single decade unless a planned attack directly on our soil and a defeat of our military to outside forces has already been agreed apon? Am I crazy? I sure hope so. Talk about blood, and lots of it.
     
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    asher So Did We

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    Or they've got particularly dim views of climate change :2c:
     
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    ferret Not worthy

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    Not sure why the original poster of that link didn't read the notes. This estimate is based on the assumption that the US economy and money system will collapse, as the "ponzi schemes" (their words) of the stock market are destroyed and everyone dies as our first world quality of life plummets. No military take over involved or environment disaster, it's all based on our evil capitalist society collapsing due to it's own failures. Basically it assumes this for the entire western world, while assuming east europe, asia, central and south america will leap forward as a result.

    Not sure why I didn't just type "Really crazy bull.... link" though.
     
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    asher So Did We

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    You're being awfully charitable?
     
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    TedEH Cromulent

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    I'd like to take a moment to, in a very not-related-to-the-topic way, point out how humorous it is that people on music related forums misspell "sure" the same way as the microphone brand name.

    Anyway, argue on. :lol:
     
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    tedtan SS.org Regular

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    ^

    I probably type Shure (in reference to the SM57, SM58, SM7b, KSM141, etc.) more often than I do the word "sure", so that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. :lol:
     

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