Seven vs Eight strings !!!

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  1. Tritono

    Tritono SS.org Regular

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    hello! im juan pablo from south america.

    man, i have a confusion in my mind. i really need your help!

    this is the situation: for first time in my life i can buy a 7 string guitar (with credit card) with much effort (im a worker guy). i have only 6 string guitar. i never played a 7 u 8 strings guitar. i was sure to buy a 7 string until presented the possibility to obtain an 8 string guitar. the 7 strings has floyd rose and 25.5 and the 8 string has normal bridge and 27 baritone scale. My goal as a composer is to be innovative and do what others dont have done. the guitar that i will buy will be my final guitar for at least 4 years and it will have a big impact in my musical career.

    i want the range of the 8 string guitar, but i readed that the 8 strings need special amplification, that if you dont use a multiscale the guitar is out of intonation, that the 8 string sounds muddy and other things.

    what do you think? im not rich, i cant buy much special gear for the guitar, it will be of much help if you can tell me some things about 8 strings through your experience.

    i have this gold question: if you only can choose one guitar for your entire future music career, what guitar do you choose? a seven string or a 8 string? why?

    * i want a modern innovative sound but i want good tone, a real tone, not mudy or out of tune.

    the problem is that tomorrow i must confirm it but now im very confused. i cant try the guitar because i will import it.

    please understand me and help me with your experience.

    very thank you!!
     
  2. Meshugger

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    Before trying to answer your question, will you buy from a store in Chile or any other part of South America, or will you order from the US/Europe/Japan?

    Do you guys have the same steep tariffs as they have in Brazil on foreign consumer goods?
     
  3. Metalus

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    Id say take the plunge and buy the 8 string. It will be more of an adjustment but u will have that range available to you immediately that way you can begin composing now instead of composing on a 7 and then wishing u had the 8 later on.

    Then again, a 7 will also be fine :lol:.

    Buy the 8 :yesway:
     
  4. Sebastian

    Sebastian Poland CEO / RHLC ©

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    What are the 8/7 string models you are looking at ?
     
  5. JaeSwift

    JaeSwift Of Blood and Sawdust

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    Ide say it largely depends on how bad you want a Floyd Rose or not. If you're not that keen on a Floyd then get the 8 string, assuming both guitars are of similair quality.

    Also, you dont need special amplification for an 8 string, just good speakers and some headroom. Intonation I cant help u with though I doubt that is much of a problem.
     
  6. Fred the Shred

    Fred the Shred Shrederick

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    I use 7's mainly, although I do have a couple 8 strings, which I love. It's all down to what range you need, what type of sound you're after, and whether it's an actual range thing or an ability to tune even lower for bassy drone-ish tones and whatnot. Only you know what best suits your goals.

    As for 8 strings, most of what you've been told is actually a myth - I use regular amps with my own 8 strings, and most muddiness problems are usually due to technical limitations from the player or amp settings, namely too much gain / bass dialed in, from what I've seen so far, and it was easy to help the player dial a far tighter tone out of it. :)

    As for the "guitar for life thing", I can't answer that. I usually use more than 4 different guitars in each recording, out of a pool of 28, due to different feel, tonal character, and so forth.
     
  7. Mr. Big Noodles

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    I don't have an eight yet (it should be here tomorrow :hbang:), but I can't imagine that you'd need special amplification. And you shouldn't have intonation problems at 27", assuming you're not doing anything too crazy.

    This sounds like a big decision for you, so I think you need to weigh your options: do you really want the Floyd? If you got the 8, do you think you could handle the 27" scale? What if you don't like the guitar?

    I read some of your other posts, and found out the seven you're looking at is the ESP Horizon 7 FR. I don't know what the price on that model would be, but I know the six string version is quite expensive. Are you so sure that you're confined to that one shop in your country and those two guitars? Could you set up a PayPal account, maybe, and try to buy a guitar off of somebody here?
     
  8. CrushingAnvil

    CrushingAnvil \m not jesus land m/

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    ATE STRINGS R 4 NERDZ LOLs.

    Nah, I'm not an 8 string guy but when it comes down to it you can play an 8 string like a 7 but it wont sound the same since there's no Evolution8 or JB-7/Jazz-8 pickups so you're stuck with EMG 808's for a few months. You can get Lundgrens though I suppose but no 7 string pickup sounds like the 8 string equivalent.
     
  9. Mr. Big Noodles

    Mr. Big Noodles Theory God

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    Good point. It's probably going to be more difficult to find strings for an eight, too. I have to customize packs for my seven, as it is.
     
  10. Fred the Shred

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    Bare Knuckle has their full line available as 8-string pickups. It is a more limited choice than being able to tap into Duncan or DiMarzio camps, evidently.
     
  11. mrhankey87

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    If your goal is doing something new, than DON'T buy an 8. Meshuggah already did it, other already did it after them, and practically all of them have some resemblance with Meshuggah.

    If you have an 8 string, it's easy as hell to goin into meshuggah's musical territory, it's almost instinctive.

    Buy a 7 because: if you're used to play 6 you'll have minor effort to get used to the 7, the shorter scale will be more friendly for solos, bendings, vibratos.

    Consider also that gauges for the 8th string are rare and you'll have to buy them on the internet.

    If, in the future, you'll join a band or want to form a band, I suppose nobody around you will have an 8 string guitar, but it's easier to find a seven-stringer.

    A 7 string guitar will be the best choice, imho.
     
  12. CrushingAnvil

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    Yeah, forgot about BKP. I think you could get custom 8 string pups made by Dimarzio but you may have to be hooked up....thoroughly...? :lol:
     
  13. Fred the Shred

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    I'd hardly bother regarding whether Meshuggah play 8's or not. I use 8 strings in some of my compositions and trust me - there is 0 resemblance to Meshuggah there. I even have a ton of more Eric Johnson'esque passages using the low F#. Remember there's no "law" that forces you to go all out djent on the 8th string.

    I jam and play regularly with people toting 6 strings. Both 7 and 8 strings alike never posed a problem there. It's a matter of complementing each other's lines, really. :)

    The transition to a 7 is, of course, easier, since all you need to know is that your low string is no longer the E. As for the string gauges for 8-strings, they are indeed a bitch to get, and I have to buy my 8th online all the time.

    Well, let me put it to you this way: there's a great DiMarzio dealer in the US whose prices are so competitive he doesn't export to some countries anymore, mine included. As such, some of my friends have developed a sudden interest in DiMarzio pickups, and they kindly decide to offer me those pickups afterwards. Farfetched, but the only way to get things done, as the dealers who were so keen on whining in the first place never carry or order coloured sets such as red or blue, which incidentally are exactly what I want.
     
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    i could not more whole heartedly disagree with the comment that you will sound like meshuggah if you have an 8 IMHO...rusty cooley, animals as leaders, scale the summit, agoraphobic nosebleed, my own band putrescine sound NOTHING (not a pun on the meshuggah album haha) like meshuggah. i love meshuggah but i don't agree that because you have the same amount of strings your music will even slightly resemble theirs. to get back on topic though i would try to play them both to see which one you are able to be more creative with/feel more comfortable with...8's are really fun i'm used to 7's but plan on getting an 8 at some point. i've had them before but didn't like 28.625" scale i prefered my ibanez 2228 with the 27" but had to sell it because i needed money at the time...hope i may have helped!:hbang:
     
  15. MikeH

    MikeH Bring the gain

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    While I agree with not having to sound like Meshuggah with an 8, AAL is definitely Meshuggah-esque. :rolleyes:
     
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    When I used to play 6 strings, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany years ago, I had the need for an extra string then I swapped to 7 strings and never look back. However now I also have a 8 string guitar and the same thing did not happen. I still playing the 7 strings and for some songs I feel more comfortable playing 7 strings than 8 strings. So my advice is: if you can fool around with both a couple of times and see which one fills your needs but if you can't then I believe that you should grab a good 7 string instead an 8...
     
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    Personally, I'd take a 7, but only because I don't find myself ever wanting to go lower than Bb. If you're a crazy shredder and can make use of grabbing notes on a lower string doing sweeps/scale runs, or you want some insane low end, then sure it would probably make sense for you. Personally 7 is perfect for me. I don't know what style you're playing, but I'd wager like 50% of bands using 8 strings could get by on downtuned 6's, or 4's for that matter :lol: You could always buy a baritone scale 7 string and tune it down as well if you just want the low end.

    I know what I've said isn't much help, but it really depends on your playing style, and what you want to accomplish with the extra range available.
     
  18. Tritono

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    hello!

    first of all, thank you for your time and experience!!! really. thank you.

    i will import it from japan, esp.

    my options (with a lot of effort) are the horizon fr 7 (with scalloped neck) or the carpenter b 8.

    one problem is that i cant try it first. other problem is that this year is for the guitar, and the next year is for the amplification. after that, i will starting play live again, and a big problem is that i will need a back up guitar for live shows (if i break a string in my debut without a backup you can imagine, all will be fuck). if i get an seven string now, in the future i will need to buy another to have a back up on stage, and the same thing for the 8 strings, so the guitar that i will buy will be my main weapon for at least five years, i cant go for a seven and after for and 8 without buy a back up for live shows. like you can see, is very complex, because i want a innovative sound but an actual decision will affect my future for a few years. i know that is a thing of taste and of the player, but is very complex.

    for the moment im choosing the seven strings because the factors. here is difficult to get strings. i want to use elixir strings, i dont like to put one set of a brand a put other brand for other strings because the difference of tension will affect.

    this history started with esp japan before the end of the 2009. i contact him and i choose to do some modifications to the esp horizon fr 7, so we keep talking about even today. in fact, i must confirm this week. and since a few days i go confused thinking about a 8 string. on one side i feel committed for the work that i generated to esp japan team about the modifications and for the time. i have good relations with makoto suzuki and i trust in him, so i will keep with esps plus i can only pay with credit card.

    and man i dont know, is complex. maybe i just must go for the seven strings and walk slow for the extended range road. my problem is that i need to be a radical musician, some crazy modern alien guy, with the new guitar i will record my debut album and i need some creative weapon that allows me to do some crazy stuff and to enter in the modern age with good sound, good tone, a good crazy weapon.

    what you would do in my place?

    thanks again, really thanks you for your time and experience!!!
     
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    don't get an 8 with EMGs if you do get one. Even if you like them on your six/seven. This seems to be the general consensus.
     
  20. Tritono

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    hello, thank you!.

    but the option that i have with 8 strings have emgs. what do you think about?
     

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