SCOTUS, 5-4, puts stay on EPA climate change regulations

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  1. Mordacain

    Mordacain 1-watt brigadier

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    Well, here's a brief list and explanations of the votes themselves: http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...mples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/

    In terms of the short list of Hillary Clinton's votes / stances I (and most non-neoliberals) find anti-progressive:


    • Support of the Iraq war
    • Support of Patriot Act
    • Repealing Glass-Steagall
    • Support of TARP
    • Support of DOMA
    • Support of TPP
    • Support of Keystone Pipeline
    Then there's the obvious problems with her flip-flopping on issues when it is politically convenient - most recently Keystone, TPP & DOMA


    I will grant that on gun control she is a little better than Bernie as of her proposals right now, but I have no confidence that what she campaigns on is what she will try and accomplish once in office.


    Suspicion of a person's motives is the unfortunate natural consequence of when that person consistently changes their positions to whatever appears to be the majority opinion.

    I might not agree with all of Sander's positions, but I have no doubt that he is sincere because every position has been consistent throughout his life.
     
  2. JPhoenix19

    JPhoenix19 Playing life by ear

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    You may already know this, but Bernie's core thesis (as I understand it) is that the latter of those issues can't be effectively changed without first addressing the former.

    While I see where you're coming from, I can also see from Bernie's perspective and why campaign finance and economic reform could be a viable first step in allowing for more effective change in other issues. Especially issues which affect the corporations with large investments in the political process- I.E. the fossil fuel industry and climate change.
     
  3. Mordacain

    Mordacain 1-watt brigadier

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    Exactly. We need only point to the DNC quietly removing the ban on PAC donations today for further verification of the need for campaign finance reform at all levels.

    While Citizens United may or may not prove effective in determining the outcome of the presidency it has been absolutely effective in determining outcomes at the state and local level and we've seen the results of that - a senate and congress that can simply drag its heels in and halt any and all progress when they so choose.
     
  4. The Hiryuu

    The Hiryuu Dot dot dot.

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    If only this vote could've happened a few days later.
     
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    StevenC SS.org Regular

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    What have you done?
     
  6. asher

    asher So Did We

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    ... jesus :eek:

    Man. It's undeniably a good thing, but I can't even be happy about it, because he died. Even if that was the only way he was getting off the court...
     
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    Grand Moff Tim Some call me... Tim

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    Are... are you a wizard?
     
  8. tacotiklah

    tacotiklah I am Denko (´・ω・`)

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    Any chance on you wishing a million bucks for me? I could go for not being always broke. :lol:


    But seriously though, even if it isn't the way I wanted him off the bench, I'm glad that man can't use our judicial system to trod on women and minorities with his applesauce jiggerypokery.
     
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  10. ferret

    ferret Not worthy

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    Yeah it's all over the place already. Obama murdered Scalia because Congress is already in a recess, so Obama can just appoint someone and usher in the christian death camps.
     
  11. HeHasTheJazzHands

    HeHasTheJazzHands greg rulz ok

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    Drudge Report is apparently running with that angle as well. :ugh:
     
  12. celticelk

    celticelk Enflamed with prayer

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    You say that like it's a surprise.
     
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    MFB ExBendable

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    No place else I'd trust for my gov't news than "govtslaves.info"
     
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    JPhoenix19 Playing life by ear

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    No, we've already established that asher murdered Scalia with a wierd internet voodoo curse.
     
  15. asher

    asher So Did We

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    Fate works in mysterious ways...
     

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