Poor sustain with high gain tone! Help cure me of the dumb!

Discussion in 'Gear & Equipment' started by Sussman, Jan 16, 2015.

  1. Sussman

    Sussman sussman.

    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Location:
    Vancouver, BC Canada
    So basically I use a super high gain tone with the music I play (I play with a mesa dual rec, with an overdrive through my line 6 pod). So naturally I have a noise suppressor to dampen the hum, feedback, and general squealing that comes with that sort of tone. But I've noticed that I can't find a nice middle ground where I don't have excess noise but still a solid sustain. Also it's made tapping almost impossible for me because it cuts out the sound almost immediately after each tap.
    Anyhoo if you have any suggestions as to how I might fix that please by all means lay em on me! Thanks!
     
  2. cwhitey2

    cwhitey2 BlackendCrust Metal™

    Messages:
    5,023
    Likes Received:
    534
    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2010
    Location:
    Binghamton, NY
    I feel you. My dual rec has been messing with my ears lately.

    What dual do you have and what are the amp settings? ie: vacuum or silicon diode - sponge or bold
     
  3. desmondtencents

    desmondtencents Plays With Wood!

    Messages:
    463
    Likes Received:
    27
    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2012
    Location:
    West Branch, MI
    A decent compressor will probably help a lot too.
     
  4. cwhitey2

    cwhitey2 BlackendCrust Metal™

    Messages:
    5,023
    Likes Received:
    534
    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2010
    Location:
    Binghamton, NY
    Tis true...but so can the flip of a switch ;)
     
  5. Malevolent_Croatian

    Malevolent_Croatian SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    841
    Likes Received:
    221
    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2012
    Location:
    Toronto
    try lowering your gain a bit. gain hits a spot where it's tight and good, but then anything beyond that actually works against the tone. It basically comes down to what amp you're using.

    Also, keep in mind that the Mesa recto wants different eq settings than other amps. Try lowering your bass to 11 o clock, keep the mids around 12 and boost the treble a bit beyond 12.
     
  6. Sussman

    Sussman sussman.

    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Location:
    Vancouver, BC Canada
    Sweet!! Thanks guys! I'll try diddling the settings and a compressor just to be extra safe!
    And I'm currently rocking the solo head 100, vacuum tube, on bold, with EL 34s if that helps
    (Also I'm brand new to SS.ORG so I'm not sure how to quote or tag people, if that's even possible, so I apologize for not doing that)
     
  7. WarMachine

    WarMachine SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    1,644
    Likes Received:
    54
    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2012
    Location:
    Charleston, WV
    Where in the chain do you have the noise suppressor? Is it a Boss NS-2 suppressor? If so man, when i ran my 5150 i could run the gain on both an OD and the amp at max and still get dead quiet when need be. Of course i never used those settings haha, but just saying when setup right it was a real jewel. If it is an NS-2, feed the OD through the loop of the NS-2, not through the in/out of it.
     
  8. cwhitey2

    cwhitey2 BlackendCrust Metal™

    Messages:
    5,023
    Likes Received:
    534
    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2010
    Location:
    Binghamton, NY
    Very nice, i'm rocking a 2 channel with el34s as well...but I pulled 2 tubes to make her 50 watts. I'm running Bold and Silicon Diode with the channels set to rhythm and lead.

    Rhythm - gain - 1 oclock - bass - 9 oclock - mids - 2 oclock - treb - 1 oclockish - pres at 3 oclock

    lead - gain 12-1 oclock - bass - 0 - mids 2:30 - treb - 2:30 - pres - 3 .....this tone is ....ing heavy its unreal.


    EDIT: I boost both..not all the time though
     
  9. Sussman

    Sussman sussman.

    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Location:
    Vancouver, BC Canada
    No I'm using the noise suppressor that's built in the pod (it's the hd 500 floor model btw) and I have it right at the end of the chain. I'm pretty sure I do have a an NS-2 kicking around, I just like using the pod for convenience purposes. Fewer cables and about a thousand times lighter than a full pedal board. You think that placing it somewhere else in the chain may make a difference though??
     
  10. TRENCHLORD

    TRENCHLORD Banned

    Messages:
    6,506
    Likes Received:
    244
    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2011
    Location:
    corncountry IL
    Have different guitars/amps been tried for the sake of narrowing down the problem?

    My first thought was to check pickup height.
    Even just lowering your action a small bit can put the strings too close for a good open sounding tone/sustain.
     
  11. Pav

    Pav ???

    Messages:
    2,314
    Likes Received:
    75
    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2012
    Location:
    Toledo, OH
    My NS-2 has always played very, very well with my recto(s). Try using that instead of your POD, I bet there is an immediate difference.
     
  12. Lokasenna

    Lokasenna SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    568
    Likes Received:
    3
    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2013
    Location:
    Calgary, AB, Canadia
    When you say that it's at the "end" of your chain, do you mean that it's the last thing before the amp? If so, try putting at as close to the beginning as possible. This will let you turn the suppressor down quite a lot, since it only has to mute the dry guitar signal.

    Also, just for fun, see if you can borrow an overdrive pedal from a friend and set your rig up without the POD at all. If you can get it to behave the way you want, it might be a setting or effect in the POD causing the problem.
     
  13. GoldDragon

    GoldDragon SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    745
    Likes Received:
    72
    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2014
    Location:
    Delaware
    Its possible your action is too low and the notes are pinching out. Some metal players like the low action, but the velocity of the notes is lower which means the notes will die early.

    If this is even a remote possibility, try raising your action to see if it does anything.
     
  14. JeffHenneman

    JeffHenneman SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    387
    Likes Received:
    14
    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2010
    Location:
    NM
    What kind of pickups are you using
     
  15. SilentCartographer

    SilentCartographer Creator as Observer

    Messages:
    484
    Likes Received:
    1
    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2014
    Location:
    London, ON
    Sounds like tubes may be done??
     
  16. cardinal

    cardinal Strat 7 Guy

    Messages:
    4,087
    Likes Received:
    1,050
    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2007
    Location:
    Northern Virginia
    So you have the POD in a 4CM set up (where it's both in front of and in the loop of the Recto)? If so, that could be introducing a lot of noise that you're having to compensate for with the noise gate. So you could be chasing your tail. It's tough to get all the levels right with the 4CM set ups.

    If you can, try to borrow just an OD pedal and a noise gate pedal and see if suddenly you don't need to lean on the noise gate so much.

    EDIT: oops, Lokasenna pretty much suggested this already.
     
  17. 155

    155 SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    683
    Likes Received:
    64
    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2009
    Location:
    ct
    pod is the prob
     
  18. mr_rainmaker

    mr_rainmaker Resident Cherokee

    Messages:
    3,087
    Likes Received:
    385
    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2010
    Location:
    NE Okieland
    have you checked to see if your pickups are set the right height?
     
  19. GoldDragon

    GoldDragon SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    745
    Likes Received:
    72
    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2014
    Location:
    Delaware
    I couldn't get the POD to work well in 4cm. Tricky gain staging and extra noise.
     
  20. ProphetOfHatred

    ProphetOfHatred SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    398
    Likes Received:
    7
    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Location:
    Insane Asylum
    Get a real noise gate.
     

Share This Page