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Discussion in 'Jazz, Acoustic, Classical & Fingerstyle' started by 777, Jun 26, 2009.
weather report is not jazz
What makes them not jazz?
mahavishnu orchestra for sure.
weather report great stuff, too.
charlie hunter trio should be easy to get into for rock/metal people, also.
Lack of improvisation and working with each other as a group, which is the fundamental of any jazz group, including dixie land. They have some examples of these, but no more of it then your average funk band (i.e. tower of power for example).
Its good stuff, for what it is, and i love Weather Report, but it isn't jazz. Its pop. And I love actual fusion too, so I'm not playing the "I only listen to swing, nothing else is real jazz" card.
Art Blakey is pretty rocky, and counts as real jazz.
some of art blakey's stuff isnt jazz.
you have to consider that he did music for over 40 years, obviously straying later on in life
Listen to the song Devil take the hindmost by holdsworth. Tribal tech is a great band too.
Yeah, call it fusion or whatever, doesn't matter, listen to it.
+1 on Tribal Tech
There's Stepping Out, that's kinda fusion as well though.
Some more in addition to all the good jazz already mentioned (if not already)
I don't think I can recommend Free Jazz as of yet... too soon for that.
Page three and at last someone mentions Miles!
Because jazz seems to be about messing with the harmony, familiar rock instruments might or might not help the Rock/Metal listener 'get into it'
Miles Davis - Bitches Brew, In a Silent way (last two have Mclaughlin on guitar), someone will say it's not jazz but Fat Time from 'Man with the Horn' with Mike Stern doth rock verily
Great Jazz albums all made in 1959
Coltrane - Giant Steps - Mr PC
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
Mingus - Ah Hum
Jazz is the greatest export of the USA to the world
Three words Alex Skolnick Trio!!!
In which sense?
in quality, not quantity
Well, if you want to "make" it in Jazz you end up having to leave the country (USA) in order to get popular and then be "accepted" in your home country, let alone getting some form of radio play. LOL! Alex is very correct on this one.
Stayed away from mentioning "Miles Davis" mainly because he might be a bit much for some folks, remember that the point of this thread was to suggest groups/individuals who would be a bit easier to grasp for someone coming from a rock or metal background. Trying to follow some of Miles' progressions can be a bit of a task, especially in his Fusion period (when he would have different members play each others lines in order to mask who was playing what within a song). Granted, the same (a bit more of an acquired taste vs. being readily accessible) can be said for a few of the ones I mentioned, too.
chick corea (particularly the "return to forever" work)
pretty mellow and laid back, and should be easy to step into (a *LOT* softer than metal/rock, though).
There's a reason why the two following albums are the two most famous jazz albums of all. A very good place to start for anyone:
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
Oh, and as to Weather Report not being jazz. You can't listen to the first two WR albums (plus the hard-to-find "Live in Japan") and say that. Really, all the WR albums through "Mysterious Traveler" have lots of the 'group improvisation' concept that Joe Zawinul was aiming for. It was the albums after that which started to go in a pop direction, so that they could all afford to buy bigger houses and better drugs.
Herbie Hancock (esp. if you like funky stuff)
Jeff Beck (more like fusion but still great)
^^ i don't know if i'd recommend herbie hancock to someone trying to make an easy transition from rock/metal.
herbie's stuff is a big departure from rock/metal and is pretty cerebral. not an easy transition from rock/metal.
if you're into electronic music, his work with the headhunters is an easy transition, though.
I must respectfully disagree. Jazz in general is quite distinct from rock and metal, so anything we recomend will take him slightly away from his rock/metal comfort zone. Herbie has dabbled in rock, pop, electronic, funk, RnB, Soul.... pretty much any jazz/rock fusion idiom you can think of. I personally can't think of a better place to start, apart from maybe something with guitars ala Mahavishnu. I do se your point though, he has also done countless "pure" jazz albums as well.
Al DiMeola "Elegant Gypsy"
Allan Holdsworth "Sixteen Men of Tain"
The Guitar Trio "Friday Night in San Francisco"
Larry Coryell. These are all easy transitions from basic metal. If you're into polyrhythmic like Meshuggah then you could step up to more complicated stuff like Mahavishnu Orchestra and Miles Davis. But definitely find "Arcana" by Arc of the Testimony. It's jazz by Bill Lasell with the famous jazz drummer Tony Miles (his final album) with Buckethead on guitar. It's exactly what you're looking for.
Good call on "Elegant Gypsy" and "Arcana." I'd say some of the Tony Levin Band work would also be a good way to go, too. Pretty much it's Tony Levin (stick, bass, upright cello and upright bass), Jesse Gress (guitars), Larry Fast (keyboards), and Jerry Marotta (drums) giving you Peter Gabriel's early backup band minus David Rhodes (guitars) and Robert Fripp (guitars). "Double Esspresso" is the album you'll want to look for. I think that there was another one with the same line up, too.
For something a bit more adventuresome, I'd then go to look to Bruford Levin Upper Extremities (start with the studio disk and then get the double live cd). You'll hear a bit of improv modal work to it. David Torn adds a great Persian flavor to the live version over the studio one.