@Metal Ken, yeah the screamer stuf just wasn't my thing. I grew up listening to alt rock so I just could never get into it no matter how hard I tried. There are some exceptions though, like Jens Kidman and that guy from Devil Driver. Downspell has some cool vocals if you've heard of em. Really insane death metal, I love them. @Blexican, yeah sorry, I really steered this off course!