palm muting on 8-string... note goes flat.

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  1. rx

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    On average, about 10 cents, which is a noticeable amount. :(

    On all my other guitars the note goes sharp if I palm mute hard and never flat when I do a light palm mute. However, on my Schecter 8, the note goes flat with a palm mute on the 8th string and just slightly flat on the 7th string. :(

    Is this normal? :)
     
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    I've never had this issue but when I palm mute I generally go sharp. I also use thumb, middle, AND index when picking so our methods are probably different.
     
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    Thats odd, what bridge?
     
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    scientifically, what makes the most sense?
    I imagine note going sharp right?.
    So what scenario would make this possible aha?

    weird.
     
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    It's a natural phenomenon with damped oscillations of any kind that the damping force causes the frequency to shift slightly downward (flat).

    https://www.s-cool.co.uk/a-level/ph...se-it/damping-natural-frequency-and-resonance

    There's really no sort of way around this, but ten cents, although noticeable, isn't really the end of the world, so it is possible to live with it. You could always mute a little more forcefully to increase the pitch to compensate, but it's tricky and you'd be likely to vary the resultant pitch widely from inconsistent amounts of force.
     
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    KnightBrolaire despair ahead

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    sacrifice a thrall to Wotan and you should have your answer by next solstice. In all seriousness, there's not much you can do. You could try slightly bigger string gauges to increase the tension, which should mitigate that problem a bit.
     
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    Check if your pickups are too high. If they are too close to strings the magnetic field may cause some issues.
     
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    Try thicker strings, more tension = less movement and pitch change of the strings.
     
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    Mute harder :)
     
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    This is the correct answer. :)
     
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    I know about this, and theoretically it makes sense, but I would love to see some data on paper about this topic. :)

    Does 2.5mm between the string and the pickup when fretted at the 24th make much of a difference against 1.5mm? :)

    I do like my pickups close to the strings for more attack and output. :)
     
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    1.5mm is extremely close to the pickups which could definetly make the strings go off pitch.
     
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    Do you have a fixed bridge on the guitar? If so - Is it possible that one of the two screws that adjust the saddle height of the 8th string doesn't have contact to the base plate of the bridge? I'm just guessing, but that could cause the saddle to move down when palm muting?
     
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    Nope. :)
     
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    I think I just palm mute very lightly. :)

    I've decided to palm mute harder on the bottom strings. :)
     
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    Just try adjusting the pickups. It literally takes like two seconds to check if it's the solution for your problem. String shouldn't go flat like that.
     
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    I'm pretty sure even 2.5 mm is way too close to the strings. You should probably double that at least.
     
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    It was not it. :)
     
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    2.5mm between the pickup and the string while fretted at the 24th fret is the standard setup that Framus uses and it works fine for them. :)
     

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