Need help gluing veneer

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  1. J_Mac

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    Any tips please people?

    I’ve glued the first half onto a body, but I’m struggling to think of a way of getting the second piece on with a tight seam.
     
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    Gonna need some more information, pics would be helpful as well.
     
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    It’s clamped up at the moment. I have a Jackson body which I’ve stripped down. Two book matched pieces of veneer to be glued on. I drew a pencil centre line, cut and straightened the edge of the veneer, glued it in place along the centre line and clamped the bejeezeus out of it. Not confident I can get the second piece glued tight next to the first...
     
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    Gotcha. How thick is the veneer? All wood or is there a backing?

    Typically, I take the two bookmatched pieces and put a piece of paper tape down the center and glue them both at the same time. The tape will basically disintegrate in the wood glue, it's just there to join the two pieces for gluing.

    What wood is the veneer? Any chance you plan on applying a stain or such afterwards?

    It's going to be tricky to get no gap doing one side at a time. I'd probably sand down an edge on the underside of the piece to be glued so you can slightly overlap it and then sand away the seam. But I don't know if you have the room with your given veneer.
     
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    Dammit that’s a bloody good idea that. Wish I’d asked before I started! Cheers man :)

    I like the overlap idea too actually. I’ll give that a go. It’s just two big pieces of ash burl, exact matching not needed really. Thinking about red to black burst stain.

    I’ll post a pic of the first half tomorrow morning...
     
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    When i did the veneer on my ibby inspired super-tele i went with the glue both faces and hot iron method



    Super fast no clamping or waiting for it to dry

    I did mine one side at a time and i was very happy with the result as it was the first time id worked with veneers (rippled ash over idigbo),here the end result but i do have some in progress pics kicking about if you want a look.

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    Dude, this video just changed my life :flowers:

    I’ve ironed on the second sheet and got it bang on ;) to think of all the days I’ve waited for layers of veneer to glue! There’s practically no bleed through too!
     
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    Yep that's a pretty sweet/time saving method,one other slight tip i might add is that if you get any shrink back from the joint you can add a damp cloth and steam the veneer slightly to get it to swell a little bit to help close the gap.

    anyhows real glad it helped out :cheers: Fire us all a few progress pics if you have any
     
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    Certainly will, might get some time to trim and sand tomorrow. Might end up sanding through the first half of veneer since the glue bled through. Not sure how bad it is yet. But I’ve got some ebony and rosewood sheets ready in case I have to start again.
     
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    Sanded the paint off an MIJ Dinky, looks like alder with laminates of basswood front and back.

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    Ash veneer glued on after a million years of sanding.

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    Black base dye & sanded back.

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    Coat of red dye, sanded, another coat.

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    Plan is black back & sides, small black burst maybe.
     
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    Wohooo nice work :)

    That burl detail should really pop once you add a clear coat,will look real cool
     
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    Thanks bro ;) burst or no burst? Or sand a bevel in?
     
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    Looking really good man ;)

    Personally I'd go with a very slight black burst (only going in maybe 1cm from the outer edge). I'm doing veneer on a top now, and it's looking a lot better after I added a slight black burst sprayed on with a cheap air-brush. There's also some methods of wiping on bursts.
     
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    Dayum. I feel like that video and others like it should get their own sticky thread. "Guitar DIY hacks!"
     
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    Finished. She's up for sale in the classifieds if anyone is interested.

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    Don't know why these pics are rotated...
     
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    Fixed the pics
     
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    That turned out impeccably well! How thick was the veneer, considering that you were able to dye and then sand back a few times? I was too nervous to do any sanding last time I worked with a veneer for fear of going through to the body wood.
     
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    Thanks!

    It’s approx 0.6mm. I was thinking the same, but evidently the sanding removed very little material.
     
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    what grit did you use to sand back?
     
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    I think it was 120-240-320.
     

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