[MOD EDIT: This thread has been merged with 'Making money touring?'] So, on Facebook Fred ("the Shred" Brum) shared the Ultimate Guitar interview with Misha, where Misha said that he can't make enough money in Periphery to live, and needs supplemental income. But, it seems there's some debate as to whether that's generally true for all modern metal bands. Alain (who used to post on here) said, "If you can pack a club with a size of 1000 in any city you go to, then you can charge a guarantee of 20K per show. That is the truth no matter what he or anyone else says. Then you play 20 shows per month and make 400K. 200K is what you keep after touring expenses. 130K is profit for the band. You do that 8 months out of the year and each band member profits over 200K oper year and only has to work for 8 months with 4 months off and 10 days off per month. There is no excuse in todays market. You can still get rich, you just have to have a draw and actually tour. Now take my numbers and imagine a band who can sell out places with capacities of 10,000 or bands that have less than 5 members. Either Periphery doesnt have a live draw or they simply dont want to tour anymore and this is their way of telling booking agents and clubs that they will start asking for more money." I've never been in a band big enough to compare with Periphery (we were lucky to make a few hundred a night playing mostly covers), so I have no reference. But, 1000 people doesn't sound like a super difficult number to get to. So is this true? Like, can you make a lot of money touring? I always thought touring was mostly promoting, and not likely to make a huge amount of money. But, with music streaming (and a lack of album sales) is this now the way it is?