Metal and Homophobia/Sexism

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  1. eleven59

    eleven59 None shall pass. Contributor

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    So, this is something I've been seeing more and more being in the metal scene: guys always being "manly men" and making homophobic/sexist comments.

    They'll (almost) always deny being actually homophobic/sexist, but they'll still be extremely disrespectful towards women/gays, and any time they don't like something it's "gay".

    I guess what I'm asking is:

    Is ridiculous, over the top, chest-beating manliness a requirement of metal?
    Are all/most metalheads actually homophobic/sexist?
    Am I the only one that finds this completely ridiculous and pathetic?
     
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    Hollowman SS.org Regular

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    or you can be Steel Panther and making fun of it and the so called lifestyle.
     
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    Considering you have people members of Vader, Gorgoroth,Morbid Angel, Judas Priest, King's X, Cynic, Otep, etc who are gay I don't think it's that big of a deal.

    The whole "gay" word is just a phrase and I don't think homophobia is that rampant in the metal community. Most people don't care. Masculinity is a part of metal, and it always will be and should be, but that doesn't exclude gay men..gay men usually don't want to be a part of it for that reason. I'm a gay man in the metal scene and I've never had an issue with anyone, especially because I'm more than willing to crack someone's skull if I had to. It's not being gay that's frowned upon in metal..it's pretty much being a wimp.
     
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    eleven59 None shall pass. Contributor

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    True enough, it just seems like a large number of people take that shit seriously and it's starting to piss me off and make me want to quit the scene.
     
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    Machismo is part of Heavy Metal. Drink beer, play guitar fast and bang your head... these are things straight guys like to do. Saying it's pathetic though... is kinda silly considering it's what the genre is based on. Metal SOUNDS macho, so it's no surprise the guys who like it are too.

    Macho can also be a gay thing in context, hell I'm sure there are gay dudes out there who love drinking beer, playing guitar fast and banging their heads.

    :agreed:

    A gay man that can hold his own gets just as much respect as a straight man that can hold his own. A wimp gets no respect, gay or not.
     
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    eleven59 None shall pass. Contributor

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    I knew you'd have some good insight. You make some really good points.
     
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    eleven59 None shall pass. Contributor

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    I guess another thing I'm wondering is: is there a place for open-minded, positive metal without the negativity/hate, and without the "macho". Still heavy music, but more about "big" and "epic" sounds and less about how "tough" it is.
     
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    Wait, who's gay in Cynic?

    Gay and masculine are not mutually exclusive. Nor is metal and gay :D
     
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    Scar Symmetry Ex Whiny Bitch

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    Yeah absolutely, metal today is more open-minded than it's ever been. Metal is also more brutal than it's ever been, so I hope it never loses that macho side as for me it's the key essence of the genre.
     
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    You should watch this:


    It has a part witch talks about the metal and sexuality thing.
     
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    Fzau Unleash the proggies

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    +1 :yesway:
     
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    Those are the things I like about metal. Aggression and violence and that element of danger is what makes metal good. To take that away would be de-balling it for people who find it "too extreme". Metal is about being extreme and always has been since the early days of the extreme genres..I'd be seriously pissed if it got watered down.
     
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    :agreed:

    Repped.
     
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    Fzau Unleash the proggies

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    Want big and epic sounding metal?

    www.myspace.com/tracesmetal here you go :metal:
     
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    WINNAR :agreed:
     
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    Metal isn't really sexist either. If anything, metal is far less sexist than normal rock music.

    Metal will have lyrics about killing and mutilating people in an indiscriminate manner. Rock half the time seems to be a more musical version of rap: Fuck as much pussy as you can while doing drugs.
     
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    Wow, who's gay in Vader,Morbid Angel, and Cynic?
    Also I don't have a problem with homosexuals, but if you flaunt it around trying to make it sound like it's the greatest thing in the world. I don't really agree with you.
     
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    The guitarist and drummer in Cynic, Doc of Vader was gay and it's believed other members are, and the bassist/vocalist of Morbid is "bi". Yes he has a wife but it's well known that he plays for both teams. There are others too and people don't care. It has nothing to do with the music so it's not really a factor. And we can all agree that the people I've mentioned have more than proven themselves in the scene and no one thinks twice about it. Surely you have a few who don't care but so what? That's life. You can write songs about eating people and raping dead children but you run crying because some idiot called you a fag?
     
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    I'm not saying watering it down musically. I've just never seen metal as "tough" or "violent" in a manly, muscly kind of way, I've always seen that side of metal as more of a chaotic, uncontrolled kind of thing. Metal to me has always fallen into two chategories: mechanical, and superhuman.

    Everything in metal, to me, is about sounding bigger than human, or sounding like a machine, and in both cases, occasionally sounding violently out of control and dangerous.

    :shrug:
     
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