Martin forced to drop "Made in USA" claim

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  1. The Munk

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    This might be a bit unpopular, but I think it's important that folks know where all of what they're buying comes from.

    This is taking it entirely too far, and I'm glad Martin is brushing it off with class, though.
     
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    I go by the new balance store regularly(walk by it) and there is a display in one that has an american flag made out of their shoes(a big picture) and it says "Proudly made in america". Then under it, in fine print it says something to the effect that at least 35% of new balance shoes are made in america.
    But then they have to gall to say made in america. Seems crazy considering the Martin issue.
     
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    Wow...by that logic, many companies who tout the "M.I.A." moniker would have to rebrand everything.

    Fvck off, California.
     
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    asher So Did We

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    so who's getting the money won in these lawsuits?
     
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    Why can't it be both? :fawk:
     
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    This stems from an overly nationalistic interpretation of a law on the books in California since the 1960's and only applies in California. Basically, that interpretation is taken to mean that the entire product has to originate within the US in order to be labeled "made in the USA", which is a stricter standard than that set by the US Federal Trade Commission. In the case of guitars, this means that even the trees that the wood comes from must grow in the US in order for that guitar to labeled "made in the USA".

    Last week, new laws went into place relaxing this interpretation. It is still more stringent than the US Federal Trade Commission (on which most states' laws are based) places on the use of this labeling.

    As an aside, you'll notice that while Martin have dropped the made in USA labeling, other US guitar makers using foreign woods/components have not (Taylor, Gibson, others). I guess Martin wants to avoid a lawsuit, whereas the others are more willing to take the issue to court and help set new case law on the issue if ever sued.
     
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    No need to guess, as the article mentions the hundreds of thousands of dollars companies who have fought these frivolous lawsuits have incurred in legal fees alone.

    Everyone knows quality Martin acoustics are made in the USA, why bother fighting it when other large companies have failed?

    I could see Gibson taking this on though, they love a good legal battle and have the coffers to back it up.
     
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    Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? :lol:
     
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    This has been discussed for the past month or so on other sites, and Chris Martin VI has stated publicly that he wants to avoid having Martin defend such frivolous lawsuits (there's a video floating around somewhere), so that part is not a guess/assumption.

    But Gibson and Taylor have not spoken officially on the matter that I am aware and both currently still label their guitars (including those sold in California) as being made in USA. (I have heard reports that Taylor tour guides have indicated that Taylor has no intent of removing the made in USA labeling from their guitars to people taking the factory tour, but nothing I can confirm). And I haven't heard anything official from Fender, PRS, Guild, Gretsch, Larrivee, Collings, Santa Cruz, Huss and Dalton, et. al., either, so it's still an assumption that they are less risk averse than Martin. If they end up being served a cease and desist, or taken to court, they may change their labeling, too. We simply won't know for sure unless/until someone tests them and we can witness their response.
     
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    Is this going to affect Jackson Custom shop and USA made guitars? I know my custom shipped out of Corona CA, not sure if they're still at that location. Floyd's are made in Germany, and I'd guess their tuners are probably made outside the states too.

    What a totally totally lame law. Leave it to Cali to come up with such wackiness.


    Rev.
     
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    Hah nice, I'm originally from Nazareth and have never been there. :lol:
     
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    And once again, proof as to why Texas peeps and California peeps don't play nice with each other. :lol:


    Seriously though, the law is actually a good one. Leave it to the less than ethical lawyers consumed by avarice to go and take a good law and twist it in order to earn that 5th Mercedes. :noway:
     
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    There are times when I debate moving to California. The defense business out there is quite lucrative :lol:
     
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    It seems like this precedent could be extended to virtually any and all builders in America. How many shops or luthiers use woods harvested entirely from within the US? Would such a thing even be possible, considering how prevalent species like rosewood and ebony are? And would including hardware like an OFR be the gamebreaker that could cost a manufacturer its MIA label? A guitar really isn't one single manufactured object, it's a collection of parts and materials fashioned into an instrument. The example made in California could easily strip the MIA label from anyone they choose. It's a slippery slope indeed. I'm a Jackson guy myself and given how they love their Floyd Rose bridges and Gotoh hardware, it seems obvious that they could be a target. But removing the "Made in USA" label from MIA Jacksons? Blasphemy.
     
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    Yep under this definition there isn't a guitar or amplifier or pretty much any other electronic product that could be labeled MIA.
     
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    Might need to start advertising Assembled In America and Refined In America instead. :lol:

    On one hand, I see where the value is in the law. Its intention is to make businesses honest and if the majority of their product were made elsewhere it's not exactly honest to say it's made here.

    On the other hand, even a guitar that is almost entirely done in the US could still not qualify if anything is made outside the US (like wood and bridges) which actually makes it harder to tell when something has that extra quality from being MIA.

    If the law is meant to make things easier for the consumer this one doesn't quite make the mark IMO.
     
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