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  1. lelandbowman3

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    I'm doing a modern b/r eldrazi deck right now, and any advice/suggestions/insight would be appreciated. it's built from stuff I've pulled and modded: Fatpack, event deck, intro pack.
    Decklist is:
    7- swamp
    5- mountain
    3- akoum refuge
    2- rocky tar pit
    3- looming spires
    2 rogues passage
    1- eldrazi temple
    1- blighted fen
    --creatures--
    3- forerunner of slaughter
    3- emrakul's hatcher
    3- dominator drones
    2- silent skimmer
    2- vampire nighthawk
    1- vile aggregate
    1- spike jester
    1- It that betrays
    1- blight herder
    1- ruin processor
    1- oblivion sower
    1- barage tyrant
    1- void winnower
    --sorcery--
    2- processor assault
    2- touch of the void
    2- transgress the mind
    1- Serpentine Spike
    1- corpsehatch
    1- shadow slice
    --enchantments--
    1- Corpseweft
    1- Dying Wish
    --instants--
    2- murderous cut
     
  2. FretsOnFyre

    FretsOnFyre SSO's sociopath

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    ^EDIT: I don't think Rocky Tar Pit is Modern legal, unfortunately.

    Wow, looking back at my last post here, I really did not get the deckbuilding thing :lol: I think I'm in a happy place with my first Commander deck. It's performed pretty well so far in a fairly casual playgroup.

    GENERAL - Bruna, Light of Alabaster

    Enchantment (20)
    1x Abzan Runemark
    1x Alexi's Cloak
    1x Battle Mastery
    1x Bonds of Quicksilver
    1x Chosen by Heliod
    1x Claustrophobia
    1x Corrupted Conscience
    1x Curiosity
    1x Diplomatic Immunity
    1x Divine Favor
    1x Eldrazi Conscription
    1x Ethereal Armor
    1x Glaring Aegis
    1x Holy Mantle
    1x Jeskai Runemark
    1x Pacifism
    1x Pentarch Ward
    1x Siegecraft
    1x Spirit Mantle
    1x Tricks of the Trade

    Artifact (7)
    1x Azorius Keyrune
    1x Azorius Signet
    1x Mask of Avacyn
    1x Sol Ring
    1x Swiftfoot Boots
    1x Talisman of Progress
    1x Whispersilk Cloak

    Instant (14)
    1x Anticipate
    1x Bone to Ash
    1x Cancel
    1x Cloudshift
    1x Condemn
    1x Essence Scatter
    1x Jace's Ingenuity
    1x Negate
    1x Oblation
    1x Psychic Barrier
    1x Scatter Arc
    1x Scout's Warning
    1x Spell Rupture
    1x Vapor Snag

    Creature (10)
    1x Auratouched Mage
    1x Boonweaver Giant
    1x Dragonlord Ojutai
    1x Heliod's Pilgrim
    1x Kithkin Spellduster
    1x Mirror-Mad Phantasm
    1x Ojutai Exemplars
    1x Sovereigns of Lost Alara
    1x Sphinx of Uthuun
    1x Totem-Guide Hartebeest

    Sorcery (10)
    1x Akroma's Vengeance
    1x Devastation Tide
    1x Divination
    1x Increasing Confusion
    1x Mass Calcify
    1x Sunscour
    1x Three Dreams
    1x Traumatize
    1x Treasure Cruise
    1x Void Snare

    Land (38)
    1x Azorius Guildgate
    1x Bant Panorama
    1x Esper Panorama
    1x Evolving Wilds
    1x Ghost Quarter
    16x Island
    14x Plains
    1x Temple of Enlightenment
    1x Terramorphic Expanse
    1x Tranquil Cove

    I'm trying to find a new general to build around now. I'd prefer something that's not Voltron (have that covered fairly well), something that doesn't demand very specific cards (not much money to spend) and I'd like to be able to use black (I have a few fun cards I need a home for). Figured I'd consult this thread - any suggestions?
     
  3. lelandbowman3

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    You're right, it isn't: I meant to post legacy, not sure why I wrote modern.
     
  4. Xaios

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    Some cards your deck could use:
    - False Demise
    - Fool's Demise
    - Abduction
    - Flickerform
    - Vanishing
    - Steel of the Godhead
    - Vow of Duty
    - Daybreak Coronet
    - Armored Ascension
    - Winds of Rath
    - Tragic Arrogance

    Aside from Daybreak Coronet (which honestly isn't really that necessary), none of these cards break $2. Most are under $1.

    I'm afraid that doesn't really narrow it down much. What play style do you want the deck to be? "Have black and not be Voltron" doesn't really say much about what you want to do.
     
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  5. FretsOnFyre

    FretsOnFyre SSO's sociopath

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    That is true... :lol: Graveyard shenanigans would be fun - I like Ink-Eyes but would prefer two or three colors, and Mimeoplasm and Alesha have been on my radar. Looking for something else along those lines.
     
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    I'm running red/black, sorry if there was any confusion. I don't do well with splash decks. Just not my thing. Are there any current red/black cards you'd recommend?
     
  7. Xaios

    Xaios Foolish Mortal Contributor

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    Those cards are for FretsOnFyre's Bruna deck, not your legacy deck.
     
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    Built a new Meren of Clan Nel Toth EDH deck:

    General (1):
    4 Meren of Clan Nel Toth

    Planeswalkers (1):
    5 Vraska the Unseen

    Creatures (36):
    1 Caustic Caterpillar
    1 Viscera Seer
    2 Blood Artist
    2 Dawntreader Elk
    2 Nezumi Graverobber
    2 Pack Rat
    2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
    2 Satyr Wayfinder
    2 Scavenging Ooze
    3 Catacomb Sifter
    3 Eternal Witness
    3 Moriok Replica
    3 Wood Elves
    3 Yavimaya Elder
    4 Bloodline Keeper
    4 Disciple of Bolas
    4 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
    4 Reaper of the Wilds
    4 Smothering Abomination
    5 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
    5 Lord of Extinction
    5 Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest
    5 Puppeteer Clique
    5 Shriekmaw
    5 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
    5 Thragtusk
    5 Vulturous Zombie
    6 Geth, Lord of the Vault
    6 Grave Titan
    6 Greenwarden of Murasa
    6 Harvester of Souls
    6 Reaper from the Abyss
    7 Butcher of Malakir
    7 Pentavus
    7 Sepulchral Primordial
    8 Terastodon

    Artifacts (5):
    1 Sol Ring
    2 Golgari Signet
    2 Lightning Greaves
    2 Thought Vessel
    4 Birthing Pod

    Enchantments (8):
    2 Evolutionary Leap
    2 Shadows of the Past
    3 Attrition
    3 Phyrexian Arena
    4 Deathreap Ritual
    4 Grave Pact
    4 Greater Good
    5 Dictate of Erebos

    Instants (4):
    2 Grisly Salvage
    3 Beast Within
    3 Hero's Downfall
    3 Putrefy

    Sorceries (8):
    3 Kodama's Reach
    3 Maelstrom Pulse
    3 Toxic Deluge
    4 Jarad's Orders
    5 Living Death
    5 Overwhelming Stampede
    7 Tooth and Nail
    9 In Garruk's Wake

    Non-Basic Lands (20):
    1 Barren Moor
    1 Bojuka Bog
    1 Command Tower
    1 Evolving Wilds
    1 Golgari Guildgate
    1 Golgari Rot Farm
    1 Grim Backwoods
    1 High Market
    1 Jungle Hollow
    1 Llanowar Wastes
    1 Mosswort Bridge
    1 Overgrown Tomb
    1 Polluted Mire
    1 Reliquary Tower
    1 Slippery Karst
    1 Tainted Wood
    1 Temple of Malady
    1 Terramorphic Expanse
    1 Tranquil Thicket
    1 Woodland Cemetery

    Basic Lands (17):
    8 Forest
    9 Swamp

    Look forward to trying it out next week. Anyone have any thoughts?
     
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    Yeah, I have a thought. You can't have 8 Terastodon in an EDH deck. Overall, it looks like you have to slim that deck down CONSIDERABLY... Like, one of each card, duuude........

    And that goes for the general too. And I don't know if you realize this, but having 4 of the same general won't do you any good ANYWAY, since if you have one out and you cast another one THEY WILL BOTH DIE!!! That's because they're mythical creatures and they have special rules compared to the normal ones..............

    Anywayzzzz, gl.......
     
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    Got the munchies?
     
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    Ok how about

    sylvan library

    mirri's guile

    fecundity

    wall of blossoms

    elvish visionary

    green sun's zenith

    dryad arbor

    survival of the fittest

    reclamation sage

    aluren

    abrupt decay

    gravecrawler

    bloodghast

    carrion feeder

    phyrexian ghoul

    nantuko husk

    blood pet?

    deathrite shaman

    edit: the black creature from saga who gives you mana when you cast him (priest of gix i just realized he's called)

    edit again: fleshbag marauder (+merciless executioner, functional reprint), innocent blood, pox cards....

    edit 3: you probably want discard outlets too, no? lotleth troll, wild mongrel... and hell, why not get a vengevine in there. oh, and basking rotwalla

    edit 4: sacrifice altars...... phyrexia, dementia, ashnod's........

    edit 5 omg i just keep thinking of more stuff: phyrexian tower, and OF COURSE skullclamp

    edit 6: cabal therapy! and veteran explorer POSSIBLY

    edit 7: devoted druid

    edit 8: you probably want to protect your general..... sylvan safekeeper? discard could help with that too, thoughtseize, inquisition of kozilek etc.... might work better overall than removal cards like putrefy etc.

    edit 9: entomb, buried alive, some reanimation.... reanimate, exhume, animate dead are the best ones i suppose... maybe not exhume in edh, idk...
     
  12. Xaios

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    A lot of the cards you listed would be great if I was playing a regular 60 card deck. Some of the cards I would put in if I had copies to spare (after all, I have 13 EDH decks, there are only so many copies of Sylvan Library to go around). Some are decent suggestions that simply didn't make it into the final version. However, a lot of these cards are only good in the early game, and don't scale well for multiplayer or the starting life total of 40.
     
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    gnoll SS.org Regular

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    Can you elaborate?

    I admit I don't play edh, but I think most of the cards I listed are just the strongest cards period for this kind of deck.

    And anyway I don't get how you're gonna get your big guys into the graveyard... seems to me you'd need to discard them, entomb them, or play them first and then sacrifice them. I mean you have a few cards like Grisly Salvage but is that really gonna be enough? What if you draw your Terastodon and you don't have a discard outlet?
     
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    EDH games tend to run far longer than games involving a 60 card deck, owing to the fact that it's a) a 100 card singleton format, b) 40 starting life, and c) multiplayer. It's exceedingly rare for a person not to live long enough to hard-cast a Terastodon, and if they don't, it's likely because they died to something that a reanimated Terastodon wouldn't have saved them from anyway. Often times being hyper-efficient in EDH isn't enough. Raw power counts a lot more than it does in other formats. That's why you rarely see things like Brainstorm, Ponder or Preordain in EDH outside of combo decks.

    That's not to say that the cards you listed can't be good in other decks. Many certainly are. I manage the EDH primer for Omnath, Locus of Mana on MTGSalvation, and I run five of the cards you listed (Sylvan Library, Mirri's Guile, Survival of the Fittest, Green Sun's Zenith and Aluren) in that deck. But they're not the best choices here. Meren doesn't support the turbo reanimator style that you're going for, because she's restricted by experience counters. As such, any of the cards that I have which "fill the yard" do so as a secondary effect. Grisly Salvage and Satyr Wayfinder help me find land. Pack Rat makes some terrifying tokens. Jarad's Orders tutors for a silver bullet that I need at the time while providing additional plays in the future. What Meren does is she provides incremental value over time. Generals like Karador and Sidisi (the BUG version) are more suited to that sort of turbo reanimator you're thinking of.
     
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    You don't want to draw Inquisition of Kozilek in turn 14 to see your opponent's hand full of 5 and 6 drops, no. That's pretty much the difference between EDH and Modern or Legacy.

    I played the Meren of CNT preconstructed deck last week, we unboxed the whole set with our playgroup. It was fun to play them right out of the box. I definately would play survival of the fittest in this deck, it's so broken with this general it's not even funny anymore. And I had a blast with recurring eternal witness about 8 times in one game.
     
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    Hmh, edh must be insanely slow then.

    Is it really not possible to build edh decks that kill faster than that...? It just feels like I could easily build an edh deck that would slaughter anything trying to hardcast a Terastodon.
     
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    Is it possible to win faster? Yes. Is it likely? Absolutely not, for several reasons:

    - 100 card singleton takes the consistency of a typical 60 card deck and throws it out the window.
    - 40 starting life total, while only being twice that of a normal game, really equates to being about 4 times harder to kill someone with a typical aggro-style strategy, ESPECIALLY because...
    - Multiplayer. In a 1v1 60 card match, you have to deal 20 damage to win. In a 4 player EDH match, you have to deal 120.
    - Politics is VERY real in EDH. If you come out guns blazing, then you better have a backup plan, because you'll soon find every other person at the table devoted to eliminating you first. On the flip-side, people are also wary of the guy who just seems to be sitting back, biding his time.
    - Your Commander is always a known constant, before the game even starts. If people even suspect you're playing a deck that wins either with infinite combos or prison-style lockouts, you're probably gonna die first.

    As a thought experiment, imagine yourself playing the kind of creatures that you listed. You came out perfectly, and on turn 6 (which is still REALLY optimistic considering the 40 life total), you deal someone lethal damage. However, you basically had to spend your whole hand doing so. You pass the turn. The next player casts Wrath of God. All your creatures are dead, can't be regenerated. Then the next person plays... well there are lots of options: Bojuka Bog, Rest In Peace, Grafdigger's Cage, Nihil Spellbomb, Tormod's Crypt, Angel of Finality... whatever they do, it exiles your graveyard. The point is, all the resources you committed to that relatively fast kill, save for your mana, have now been completely wiped out. You can recast your general, but with no more graveyard, that's not gonna do you much good.

    I think you know where I'm going with this.

    And yes, EDH is definitely slower overall. A typical multiplayer game usually takes at least an hour.
     
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    Mhh, yeah, I think I'll stick to legacy. Edh seems like "best player loses" to me.
     
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    That is untrue. It's simply that what makes you the best player at a table isn't the same as it is in legacy.
     
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    Turn one and two either a mana dude or equipment, turn 3 Rafiq of the Many,
    turn 4 another equipment and equip both, then swing for lethal (=21) general damage.
     

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