Kemper Profiling Amp Thread

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  1. Guitarjon

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    Oops, double post
     
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    ^^You don't have an interface?

    You need one to record the Kemper alone. You might be able to set it up going through to the AXE FX II but not sure how this would sound.

    As for profiles my recommendation is to try as many of the free as possible so that you could see which amps you tend to favour and then look for commercial packs of those amps.

    I really like Kosten's free profile. For paid profile I really like Sinmix, Tonehammer, Craig Sorrenti, Double Impact, Guidorist, and Origin Audio, and Jordon Popp.
     
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    Thanks for you reply, I'll definitely check those profiles out.
    About the Axe FX, it's a very proper interface.
    I've used it for years as I never record multiple instruments at once so it has worked perfectly so far.
    The rear inputs of the axe fx are pretty clean as far as I know and the converters are supposed to be good ...
     
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    Sinmix, Kosten, Lasse Lammert all have some of the best free high gain profiles I've found but there are other guys like marco cudan or cililab that have really good profiles as well.
    Sinmix tends to have the best paid high gain profiles I've found next to Kosten or Cililab. Easiest thing to do is go to the rig exchange and download a ton of free mesa, evh and engl profiles. The cabs can drastically change the sound so if you've got IRs you favor I'd recommend loading them into the kemper. If not then kosten's 5150 plat mod cab is pretty good, same with Lasse's recto cabs (both are free).
    Sinmix has excellent profiles of the VHT UL, Triple recto, and Krank R1+, 5150 (he has tons of other ones too but those are my personal favorites)
    Kosten also has really good 5150 profiles, VH4 profiles and Powerball profiles
    Cililab has a really great set of JVM410 profiles
     
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    Thanks?
    I heard that the IR quality of externally loaded IR's isn't too good?
    Any thoughts on this?
     
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    ^Not really true. You could download IR packs and then convert them to the Kemper's file type and use them with Kemper amp profiles. Works perfectly fine.

    You'll see when you get it, you'll be experimenting for days.
     
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    Thanks!
    Sounds good!
    So there are different ways to load IR's into a profile if I understand correctly?
     
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    if your looking at cab profiles already in the kemper then there's nothing else to do unless your using a Merged profile and then you could use the merge function. If you downloaded IR's you'll need to convert them to the kemper file type using the Kemper cab program. I suggest you read the manual because there are a ton of function and it really helps clear things up.

    Good luck!
     
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  9. JohnIce

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    The Kemper has two "modes" of profiles.
    Studio: The original style, which is 90% of the profiles out there. Head+cab are profiled simultaneously, prioritizing a true representation of what they sound like together.
    Merged: A later update, where the head and the cab are profiled separately, resulting in a better representation of how the head and cab sound on their own. So it's more comparable to an Axe-Fx, Helix or any other type of modeller. If you want to use an IR, you'll want to use the amp from a merged profile.

    So if you take an IR, or the cab from a merged profile, but combine it with the amp section of a studio profile, you are sort of crossing the wires and might not end up with a great sound. Maybe this is what you've been hearing about?

    If you're reading this and think "merged profiles sounds like the better, more versatile option", keep in mind that most users find the studio profiles to be better sounding, they're the "sound" of the Kemper. It's not 100% accurate in dividing the amp and cab like a merged profile, but it seems to capture the overall sound of a rig better, which is often the reason why people choose a Kemper over the other modellers in the first place. Merged profiles are really just there for added flexibility, studio profiles are where the money is in my opinion.
     
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    Thanks!
    That's very helpful and interesting!
    I'm looking at the double impact profile bundles now and they seem to have the merged versions going on.
     
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    No prob :yesway: The benefit of merged profiles, besides being easier to use with your favourite IR's, is that they're also better suited for running into a real cab. So using the dual outputs on stage, you can run the profiled amp+cab/IR to FoH while running just the amp DI to a real cab. A lot of people like that.

    Another thing you can do, if you're a studio guy primarily, is to just search for "DI" in the Kemper's rig exchange app, and you'll find tons of amp profiles that have no cabs. Audition them into your favourite IR loader in your DAW, and you have a very powerful setup for finding the right tone for you. When you find something you like you can just load that IR into the Kemper and create a merged profile of the amp DI+IR.

    When I say studio profiles sound "better" what I really mean is that there's an interaction between the amp, cab and mic that the studio profiles seem to capture better than you get with IR's. It's hard to explain until you've played a good studio profile yourself. But beyond that, I don't mean to say merged profiles sound bad, because they sound just as good as you'd expect a real amp+IR to sound.
     
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    Honestly I would wait to get your unit before you start buying profiles. There are quite a few free high gain profiles and and many of them are amazing especially pro created profiles and rig packs that come with the machine. Plus each of these profiles have so many parameters to tweak you can get lost for years without needing to buy anything. The only pack I bought was the big hairy profiles ADA MP1 pack because there wasn't a ton of good ada tones that come with it. But I'm actually kicking myself now because I find I can manipulate many amps to sound damn near identical with the deep editing that you can do. I'm not saying you should NEVER buy profiles. You may hears something you just have to have. I just think guys should explore the units capabilities before convincing themselves they are missing out when so much can be done with existing tones. New profiles are loaded to rig manager everyday. And with so much free stuff constantly available and your ability to remove and add cabs from other rigs and splice together any sound you want to me its a waste to pay for a profile than 9 times out of 10 will sound different with your equipment and will require tweaking anyways to get a perfect match.
     
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    Any tips on the Chapel tone?. I adore that ultra twangy tone you guys dial in. Saw is the Law/Elitist ones.
    Sounds like you use the Treble booster Kemper block infront or something.
     
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    I'm also looking into the Double Impact bundles because they contain many amps with many settings.
    I'd love to hear people's opinions on those!
     
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    I just picked up the newest ones. I'm not a huge fan of the cabs in there, but the amps sound awesome. I've been using the 5150 with a few 3rd party IRs or direct to a real cab and they sound incredible.

    I've been a log time axe owner and just picked up the kemper and am thoroughly impressed.
     
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    double post
     
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    Thanks!
    I'm planning to use mine with IR's anyway but I wonder, what is it with the cabs that you don't like?
     

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