Kemper Profiling Amp Thread

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  1. lewis

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    thats why the kemper is such a sound investment. Its feel and tone are a direct match to "real amps". You cant get closer than this. The product should stand the test of time easily whereas with axe fxs for example we are already on the 3rd iteration??
    same with line 6. Thats why i went kemper this time instead as i was sick of alwys feeling like i would want and need THE NEXT product from these companies.
     
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    I thought the same thing, when I saw they still support a synth keyboard from the 90's I knew it was a sound purchase. I have always been a tube amp player and the first day I plugged it into one of my 4x12 cabs and was like, yep my amps will start collecting dust. And over 2 years later, they still mostly sit unplayed. I do like to play them once in a while still, but probably less than 5% of the time.
     
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    So after a long while of playing by myself I will be playing again with another guitarist and drummer, only problem is I use monitors currently...

    So I've been debating about either getting a FRFR monitor vs a Power Amp/2x12
    You guys think I can score something good under the budget of $500?
     
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    Hey guys, I've been considering the Kemper Powerhead after my ENGL Powerball 2 stopped working and the Mesa Triple Rectifer my buddy lent me stopped working too. However I have some concerns that the power of the Kemper could blow my Peavey Windsor 4x12 Cab. The cab is 16 ohms and 200 watts with 4 12 Supreme xl speakers. I plan to use a cab for practices and live shows, will this work with my setup?
     
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    Might be able to find a used Yamaha DXR10 or 12 with that budget. On the even cheaper side, my brother uses an Alto TS112A with his Kemper, and it sounds really good and plenty loud over a drummer. I'm tempted to get one myself just to have a cheap stereo rig and get really obnoxious with delay and phasers.

    Edit: Unless you already have a quality 212 cab, I think it will be hard to get one, plus a power amp, with that budget. Maybe you can get lucky. If you stretch your budget to $600 or $700, you may be able to get a good used cab and an ISP stealth power amp.
     
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    DudeManBrother Blames it on "the rain"

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    I think you'll find better deals on old Peavey 412 cabs and similar vs a 212. There are typically Art SLA2's for sale pretty cheap for a quality power amp. The ISP Stealth is awesome if you can find one.
     
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    Really depends on the amp. I couldn't find any profiles of a Mark V/IIc+ that were exact fits to what I wanted. Then again Mark series amps have so many tonal variations, it'd be hard to profile that entire spectrum! My 5150III 50, on the other had, is easily replaced my profiles. That's why I have it up for sale :p

    Exactly how loud are you planning on playing? To blow that 4x12 cab, you're going to be loud enough that nobody will want to jam with you. My 5150III 50 and Mark V 25 both keep up with a drummer (small room) without needing to go past 3. Well beyond the volume you should be using without earplugs!

    And WTF are you doing to your amps to fry them? Maybe you are playing that loud :eddie:
     
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    I don't really play that loud, I had my Engl at about 3-4 volume wise, same with the triple rectifier. My Engl stopped working at a show, and my tech found out that someone who owned it before fucked up the circuit board with bad soldering, heat damage and scorchmarks on the board. I'm not sure what happened with the Mesa. I've never had anything close to cranked, but I was concerned that 600 watts of power that the Kemper has might be too much for the cab. Especially when I've heard stories of people blowing their speakers with it
     
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    i just tried a brand new reampzone profile he made today of his dual rec being boosted with the brand new fortin 33 pedal incl in the profile (his arrived today) and holy smokes its amazing for high gain sounds.
     
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    Be worried with blowing out my eardrums more than a 4x12 cab. Highest wattage, traditional guitar, cab I know of was the old marshall mode 4 4x12 at 400w, so if you went by raw power numbers, you'd never find a normal cab that would handle the power amp in the Kemper.

    If your current cab didn't blow up with 100w heads and you expect to play at that volume or less, I don't think you'll have issues. ANd yeah, if you dime the powered Kemper, I'd expect bad things to happen to the cab.
     
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    It really damn good. Including the cab section which I tend not to like from most people's profiles. I usually stick with a couple cab sections that I tend to favour over 99% of them.
     
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    Completely agree about the cab sound.
     
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    I find it similar to the JPP Uberkab that I use which uses the same mics (421 and 57). This one is a tad bit darker though.
     
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    I would be concerned why two high end amps stopped working like that. You are using a dedicated speaker cable and not a guitar cable right? Either way I cant speak for the Windsor cab specifically but I have maxed the volume on the power rack through a mesa cab with no ill effect. 600 is the max wattage. I do not believe its the RMS rating. IMHO the kemper has the wattage it does to match the volume potential of a tube amp. Not to exceed it and do damage. Honestly I have damaged more speakers using too little power than using too much. All you really have to do is use your ears. If you turn the volume up slowly you should hear your speakers stressing way before you blow out your cab.

    The kemper only really has 600 watts because if it was 100 it would start clipping before max volume is reached and solid state clipping of the power section simply doesn't sound good. Watts can be deceiving. Tube amps technically are not really louder than solid state. They simply most times have more headroom. And when they are pushed into distortion its not harsh to the ears. Some solid state amps IMHO are even electronically limited to stop increasing volume before the onset of clipping. This is why many times if you compare a 100 tube head to a 100 watt solid state you will note the solid state amp wont keep up with the tube amp. Its way more complicated than that but I am not as good at explaining things as I am at understanding them. You will have many that will tell you wattage and volume potential are equal whether its tube or solid state. I however completely disagree and it really would depend on what amp is being talked about. IMHO if you use the proper cables and make sure you don't stress your speakers the max wattage should not be a concern.
     
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    Free Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Kemper Profile boosted with Fortin 33 DEMO (Ft: John Huldt)

    If you're looking for the best free metal kemper profile then look no further than our Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier REV F boosted with a Fortin 33. You can get this profile on the rig exchange "RZ_MBDRREVF_F01" or download it here: https://reampzone.com/downloads/fortin33.rar
     
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    I'd agree at a general level with this, if we're talking about class D solid state amplifiers. They can go into nasty square wave clipping at somewhere as low as 59% output. Also, a tube amp can output, at certain transients, double its rated power. Class D amps don't do that. These general statements don't apply to modern class A/B and class H digital amplifiers though. Companies like Matrix and ISP don't use class D; and their power amps behave differently. The sine wave clipping characteristics can become desirable, similar to tube amps.

    Also, because it's been mentioned in this thread; headroom applies to the max dB level your speakers can produce within their wattage rating vs the dB level they're currently being pushed. For example: a V30 can produce 121dB at 128w. If you are sending 32w to it, the speaker will produce 115dB, leaving you 6dB of headroom. You are utilizing 25% of your 128w available. Power amp wattage rating vs cab wattage rating does not indicate headroom. It's clearly an integral part of pairing the two devices, but not the determining factor.

    Ultimately, the feel in the room and your ears are still the deciding factor in what sounds best. All the specs and data sheets in the world mean very little when you put my Mesa 2:90 up against my ISP Stealth or my other guitarists' Matrix GT1000FX. The digital amps are fantastic for their sound characteristics and weight advantages, but I'd think anyone would still take the 2:90 tone and feel in the room over the other two.

    The mass majority of places we play live have a full PA and sound guy, so I typically use the ISP for stage volume through a 412, and go FOH with the main output, which works perfectly and sounds awesome. But if there is no PA, I'm lugging the 2:90 every time; along with the ISP, as it is so light, it's the perfect backup in those situations.
     
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    Jerry from FJA is doing Kemper profiles. Haven't tried em, but I will say the FJA modded Recto was the single most brutal amp I've ever owned. I think JD has it now.

    His Recto mods take everything out of that amp and make it perfect...no hiss, clearer bass....it makes it the amp everyone wants it to be. I'm seriously excited and now need a Kemper. Need. It.

    Dual Rec profile:



    $3 each, or hit Jerry up for package deals.
     
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    Hey guys,

    I ordered a Kemper and it will be delivered on Tuesday!
    I've never used one myself so it will be very interesting to try this thing.
    I'll mainly be using it in my studio for my YouTube channel next to my Axe FX, Helix (Native) and various other plugins.
    I don't own any tube amps so I won't be profiling amps soon.

    A few questions came up.
    1:My main interface is my Axe FX XL+ so I always record via USB. I'm thinking what would be the best way to record my Kemper.
    At first I thought SPDIF would be perfect since my Axe FX has a SPDIF input but then I realized the bitrates are different so I assume that won't work?
    Right now I'm thinking I'll just go from the kemper analog outs with 2 Jack cables into input 2 of my fractal.
    Any ideas about getting the best possible quality for my setup?
    I also own a UX2 from line 6 but I don't expect the quality of that to equal to the axe fx's...

    2:Since I don't have real amps I figure I'd have to buy some paid profiles.
    I'd love to get one or two packs with a bunch of high gain amps.
    Are there any packs you'd recommend for me?
    I'd love to have about 20 amps to my disposal from Mesa, to EVH to Engl etc.
    I don't want to buy a lot of different stuff from different places, just one or 2 packs and be done for now.

    Thanks!
     
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