Is Trump really gonna get there ?

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  1. MrWulf

    MrWulf SS.org Regular

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    Clinton to me is a bigger risk than Trump. Trump might be a nutter, but he's the manifestation of the US' frustration and agony throughout the last 8 years of the Obama administration. And also, he can shakes the establishment up. Clinton meanwhile is a clog in the machine, someone who is backed by the Wall Street elites, and also is pulling out every tricks of the book because if she won't be the president, she will be a convict instead. I will back a lulzy nutter over a corporate backing machine that promised to continue Obama's rather lackluster terms.
     
  2. flint757

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    It's time for the right candidate at any point in time; gender/race politics is quite an ignorant way to vote IMO (if it's your main driving force to vote for someone that is). We vote more minorities into office by bringing more of them to the proverbial table and then make an objective choice on who we think will do a better job, or is saying/doing what you want them to. To vote for someone purely because of race or gender is worse than 'voting for the other guy'.

    Things would be so different had they backed someone like Elizabeth Warren rather than another Clinton. I'd be fully okay with her as the nomination and I imagine the Democrat party wouldn't be so divided like it is currently. As it stands, knowing what I know, Clinton won't be getting my vote; not that it matters in our current voting system.
     
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    Yes, absolutely, but what I wanted to say is, that I believe, that Clinton will win and that in the end it doesn't really matter, because there is no "right" candidate available this time, who has a chance to win ... as I said Devil vs. Belzebub ;)

    But I'm just a foreigner, who looks at this election with a bit of fear for the future.
     
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    American Politis are just plain crazy, in my humble opinion. Please not Trump though, pretty please,us Brits promise to be nice and not mention the way you have butchered the English language or your confusion of the phrase football.
     
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    If your concern is war/invasions pretty much all of the mainstream candidates are dangerous. Clinton is an unabashed war hawk.
     
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    Well as a danish guy I hope for Bernie Sanders :lol: in the overall thing, but yes it seems pretty obvious that Trump will get to be the republican candidate.

    However neither Sanders nor Drumpf will get much done as both parties in the congress / senate will probably block pretty much everything.

    Clinton can probably get things through the congress and senate, but as others have stated she is brought and paid for by pretty much everyone it seems.

    I guess the term "Whore of Wall-street" is now both the title of a porn movie and the description of the next possible presidentess of the USA.

    Also it is hillarious that someone edited the part with "Trump" originally being "Drumpf" out of the english wikipedia site on Drumpf following Jon Oliver's latest "last week tonight".
     
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    QuantumCybin Lost In Thought

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    Has anyone seen this? I found it to be absolutely hilarious and I haven't ever watched Game of Thrones. Mods, if this isn't considered on-topic please remove it, I just figured since this is a Trump megathread ( :lol: ) other people might get a kick out of it as well.

     
  8. will_shred

    will_shred not that good.

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    I think that Clinton is okay, I don't think she's as evil as most characterize her to be. I also worry about how eager she is to continue to continue the policy of forced regime change, and bombing the way to peace. Both of which have never worked in the past, and will never work in the future. I am also worried about her fixation to Obamacare. Obamacare is a ....ty law that hurts a lot of working class people in order to enrich insurance companies, and also does nothing to control drug prices. Bernie's medicare for all plan would save working class families a lot of money by eliminating the need for private health insurance all together. And I think its painfully obvious to anyone who has dealt with our private health insurance companies that they are overpriced, ineffective, and far to corrupt from the top down to actually accomplish what the ACA intended. I wouldn't bat an eye if we scraped the entire industry and jailed all the executives.
     
  9. TheStig1214

    TheStig1214 Mr. Tophat Jones

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    Drumpf becoming president is a radically scary idea, but he's really just a bullhorn to America's racist subconscious.

    In all reality though, he's alienating himself from both the GOP and Dems. Even if he gets the Republican nomination, he'll .... all over their party platforms. He may be pro-1%, but I really don't think he holds the same values as the psychochristian Tea Party wingnuts, who are the real driving force of the GOP. If he can't make the Bible thumpers happy no Republican in Congress is going to back his proposals, and he already has every Democrat checked out. He's going to have a Congress that collectively hates him. Really just shaping up to be the least productive 4 years in the US's political history.
     
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    I think many people forget that Ronald Reagan, one of our most celebrated Republican presidents, was a s***y movie actor who enacted a buttf***ton of bad economic policies. And he's still people's favorite president ever.
     
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    TheStig1214 Mr. Tophat Jones

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    Let's not forget the whole Iran/Contra bit.
     
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  12. celticelk

    celticelk Enflamed with prayer

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    On an entirely practical level, the choice was never between Obamacare and single-payer. The choice was between Obamacare and no health care reform at all. Obama and the Democratic leadership spent every ounce of political capital they had in 2009-2010 to get the program that we got, and the Republicans have not stopped fighting it tooth and nail ever since. Where exactly were the votes for a *more* centralized program going to be found?

    In theory, I support single-payer nationalized healthcare as well. I have yet to see anyone propose a viable path to get there *from where we are now*.
     
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    TheStig1214 Mr. Tophat Jones

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    Agreed, Obamacare had a sh*tty rollout, and still isn't the greatest. But we needed to enact something other than what we had. Change for change's sake (as much as I hate Obama's usage of the word change as a catchphrase). I hate this right wing rhetoric that the ACA's failure is because the Dems wrote it that way to enrich insurance companies. It's because right wing lobbyists fought it and beat it down to what it is now.

    Only now finally are the Dems going back on their promise and making insurance companies and medication companies negotiate for reasonable costs.
     
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    Trump popularity is quite simple. The man is not a politician and, as said before, he represents a portion of the populace that is angry at the system and they think he is going to make everything better. There is also the mentality of "Well, Trump's gonna win it anyways, might as well vote for him" a lot of people have, which is a prime reason he is getting elected.

    Plus, just passively listen to him talking for a bit. Like it or not, the man has a lot of charisma. However if you actually listen to what he says the man is insane. He caters to fear a lot of people have, which turns into bigotry, which turns into something completely asinine.

    Honestly, I am looking at the positives of the eventual outcome. I think that this will probably the GOPs wake up call. For years a lot of conservatives have been frustrated with the Republican party and this election has been a huge headache. I'm a Conservative and know a lot of other conservatives, none of them have supported Trump, or really any other of the major GOP candidates so far. We are just as frustrated as every one else. Rand Paul and Kasich had some good ideas that I do not think the entirety of the GOP will adopt unless a major party overhaul happens. The GOP is hurting right now and unless it makes some drastic changes, it is going to collapse.
     
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    This thread is a much better read than I expected. Some pretty good posts. I am becoming used to the idea that Trump will be President. I think too many people outright hate Clinton, and people are too small and greedy to allow Sanders in for fear of their wallets.

    I personally despise our political system and government. I do not vote or participate. It is an enormous failure and the nearly inevitable downfall will be spectacular, if not the end of the human species. The rest of the world should probably be hoping we have a very bloody civil war, as I suspect that will be the least globally damaging outcome possible.
     
  16. MaxOfMetal

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    This is why things are broken.

    Only half of this country bothers to vote for the POTUS, and even fewer, almost a third, vote midterms.

    It's pathetic.

    Say what you will about the assholes and the crazies, at least they bother to show up to vote.

    Poor turnout is how terrible politicians stay in power and justifies the existence of antiquated systems like the electoral college.

    The worse part? People are freaking proud of not participating. It's like being proud of not wiping your own ass.
     
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    Concerning Drumpf, wow what an unfathomably unlikable life form. Human garbage is one of the kindest epithets that comes to mind.
    On a more general comment, it seems that people in all countries tend to radicalize towards the crazy side of the political spectrum when are faced with difficulties and a corrupt political system. Instead of re-evaluating the causes that led to the current state they trend towards ideologies that will deteriorate in a faster pace.
     
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    Sang-Drax God is dad

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    There's almost always a better candidate and a worse one.
     
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    celticelk Enflamed with prayer

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    Personal rule: if you habitually and proudly don't vote, I'm not listening to your opinion on American politics.
     
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    Doubt a republican wins this race. Party is split. A divided party = no bueno come vote time.
     

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