Is Trump really gonna get there ?

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  1. Drew

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    At this point I think the Steele Dossier is a bigger deal to the right than it is to the left, and they seem to care more about it being false than we do about it being true (probably because there's enough other evidence of wrongdoing to sate our bloodlust at this point). So, with that in mind, I post this mostly to prod our Trumpster bretheren than anything else...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d-715pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.7c841311688b

    While we still don't have evidence that Trump actually cavorted with Russian prostitutes while in Moscow in 2013, Trump's chief of private security testified under oath that at the end of a meeting on that trip, a man approached them offering to have five women sent up to his room. Schiller himself rejected the offer, but Trump was aware of it and it's not impossible it was made privately again later.
     
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    The fact that Trump's bodyguard verified that Trump was approached in 2013, verifying at least the date of the alleged Steele Dossier hotel encounter, is hilarious.

    Again, why do Republicans keep verifying details of a document they keep claiming is false?
     
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    Do people really care that much.............. like truly, whole heartedly, actually, without a shadow of a doubt care if Trump had 5 prostitutes or not years ago? Lol
     
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    Thats actually very funny. Im using this joke at work as we speak
     
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    Do citizens of a participatory democracy actually care if the president is beholden to a foreign country through blackmail? Yes.

    It's a bit shocking you didn't have the awareness to think that through.
     
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    It's more in line with what Explorer is saying, IMO.

    What may or may not have happened between Donald Trump and five consenting Russian women, in exchange for money, in 2013, is between the Donald, Melania, and the women, so long as no laws were broken. If he gets off on that, whatever.

    Where it starts to become concerning is:

    1) when it's alleged that Russian agents may have secretly filmed him with the women, with the intent on using it as blackmail material, and if true then they may have leverage over the President of the United States, which is a huge national security risk.
    2) when Trump vehemently denies the contents of the dossier, which despite all the attention these particular allegations may have gathered, some of the less racy stuff DOES point to direct collusion with an enemy nation during the campaign, and when evidence comes out that at least parts of what he's denying was likely true (we don't know if the women ever made it to him, but we now know for a fact that an offer was made to send women to Trump at around the time that the act was alleged to have happened), then you start to wonder if maybe some of the other allegations are true.

    So, bigger picture, it doesn't matter hugely that Trump paid a Russian prostitute to piss all over him in a hotel bed he believed the Obamas had once slept in. What DOES matter, though, is that if true it's clearly something he'd be embarrassed to have the video of to leak, so if the Russians DO have video evidence of this, which the Steele dossier states they claimed they did, then he'd potentially agree to do quite a lot to stop that from surfacing. That's a risk. What's also a risk is if THIS particular allegation is true, and he's been denying it, then his denials of some of the OTHER allegations in the document, namely that Russian agents provided his campaign with extremely valuable intelligence, are far more likely to be true as well.

    Unfortunately it's the racier stuff that's captured the national imagination, but hey - while we don't know if Trump actually had an orgy in Russia, we now know that someone tried to set one up for him, and Trump isn't a man over-burdened by impulse control, exactly, so that's a little concerning.
     
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    Honestly, it's less the content of the communications, than the fact that it happened at all.

    Meanwhile, Sessions "forgot" about the Popadoupalos meeting, yet clearly remembers vetoing the meeting between Trump and Putin. :lol:
     

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