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Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by David, Jul 19, 2006.
Dave, Joe... if I could give you guys super magic e-rep for this thread, I would. I fucking would.
Fucking classic. You hosers need to take this act on the road, man.
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that little '™' kills me
^The album can wait...this is fucking entertaining!
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oh man, this thread is a fucking gold mine for jokes! instead of quoting all of Dave's posts, this is what I'd reply to all of them, .
It is about the best thing ever.
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I don't understand what the big deal is.
What moral code is there to break?
I mean they're not LIVING, it's not like we'd be taking a life.
Is he really that afraid of stepping on God's toes?
There's no point of having a god if you have to be afraid of him/her/it.
^It is a pretty wierd arguement. Correct me if I'm missing some sort of ethical or religious perspectives, but calling an embryo a person is a little like calling a packet of seeds a flower bed.
It's also been proven that the research can do a lot of good in the long run (again, correct me if I'm mistaken).
^ Why are you fuckers ruining our fun thread with things like seriousness, reason, and intelligent debate?
DR, no correction necessary. The Right to Lifers' argument, and it's not completely invalid, might I add, is predicated on the premise that (human) life begins at conception. The debate arises as to the value of what is, admittedly, an actual human life, a living being, but which is in reality only the potential for a complete person.
What is human, and what isn't? If it is human, should we protect it? How human is it? Is it a slippery slope? Do we make mistaken assumptions about our understanding of what it means to be human? So on, and so forth.
FTR, I am a reluctant supporter of a woman's right to choose an abortion, as well as stem-cell research and related issues. There are very legitimate ethical considerations about both issues, although I know where my decision usually falls.
Saying that we shouldnt abort embryos that arent sentient because they're 'alive' means that we shouldnt be able to cut out tumors because they're 'alive' too.
That's basically the same argument that brings me down on the side of the good guys. But yeah, exactly. It's why I suppoort it, well, that and the huge strides medicine could potentially make because of stem cell research.
But, to contrast, a tumor also does not posess the potential to be a living, thinking, human being. Well, except for NLB, of course.
True, but at that point in development, its nothing more than a mass of flesh anyway. its just a collection of mushed up tissue that doesnt have any specific function yet lol. Sure, it has the POTENTIAL to become a human, but if we jack enough radiation into a tumor, who says we cant make some kind of super hero?
Hey, you're preaching to the choir, brother.
super hero tumors??....
Wouldn't that technically be a super-villain?
Not that it would be a problem; we could just expose a few wholesome teens to Gamma-radiation, and we'd have heroes; as well as something a little more interesting on the news.
TDW: As someone who had a year of Religious Studies with rabidly pro-life methodist chaplain, I've heard all the usual pro-life arguements. My feeling though, is that the mother is already alive, breathing and sentient wheras the foetus' status until it reaches a certain point is far more difficult to define. It's not that the foetus doesn't have rights, it's just that the mother has more.
While it's not something I'd personally want to be involved in, I'm a firm believer in a woman's right to choose.
Embryo's are no more a living person than a tumour, as Metal Ken rightly said, and how they can be argued for in the same way even a foetus is beyond me.
I can't wait for bush to go, and next election he has to, although i bet he tries to change the rules...
As if one country saying no is ultimately going to stop the research? One country will say yes, the scientist move over there, and bang, one country gets rich of it.
noodles. run for president. a top hat and you'd be the metal version of lincoln.
Um, just not 7 feet tall.