I'm committed... first build ever.

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  1. FrznTek

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    OK, so building a guitar from scratch has been on my mind for more than a year. I have been watching videos, and reading about making guitars for months. I even joined a facebook group for luthiers. The other day someone posted 3 wenge drop top sets for sale and I really liked the 3rd one. Jon Sullivan (of Sully Guitars) bought the first 2... the fact the 3rd one remained was like a sign I needed to buy it! well I wound up buying a rock maple neck blank and bloodwood freatboard from him as well.

    I have decided that I'm going to go with a Flame maple freatboard instead.
    so this is the wood list so far:
    Wenge top (bought)
    Flame maple fretboard
    rock maple neck (bought)
    Black Walnut laminates
    Swamp Ash body

    I'm planing for a natral finish.
    It's going to be a tele style, or explorer style, I'm leaning towards the explorer style. (still 3D modeling the designs) I don't know if I'm going to try multi scale or not.... I do want to though. 16" radius fretboard, 25.5 "or 25.5" - 27.5" multiscale.

    for tools I have:
    Drillpress
    router
    tablesaw (needs a new fence)
    circuler saws
    jigsaw
    palm sanders
    drills
    files, small and some bigger.
    3D printer (going to print some templates and such with it)

    tools I think I need:
    fret saw
    bandsaw
    hand planer
    Fret Press Caul and Insert for 16" radius
    PLANER SAW RASP (http://www.philadelphialuthiertools.com/luthier-tools/files/shinto-planer-saw-rasp/) for shaping. (is there something better?)
    fret dressing/nut files
    am I missing any?

    I might call my cousin who is a licensed carpenter and see if he either has tools I can use and or willing to help. (he also plays guitar.)

    So this is going to take a couple months just in terms of money. I need to buy some tools, but will buy them as I need them.

    Wish me luck! :hbang:

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  2. Mr_Mar10

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    Best of luck!!1 sounds like u have the know-how & a good fleet of tools to get u started :shred:

    It's so rewarding at the end to thrash a guitar u made with your very own hands :p
    Remember to double, triple check any cut/route/thing before u do it

    Practice anything tricky on scraps first (I wish I would have followed this on my first few lol)

    That top is tasty :yum: looking forward to seeing th3 progress
     
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    Please post your progress, it'll be interesting to see. Best of luck!
     
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    Good luck! Really excited to see these 3d printed templates!

    That rasp is funky looking, but probably works great. I just use a round-faced Stanley rasp from the home improvement store and it also works great. And costs about half as much.

    For a fret saw you can save some money buying a dovetail saw with the right kerf (like this one, which I use https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004TBPU/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ) it works fine as long as I sandwich it between two flat blocks while I saw. You will likely get better results with the real thing though.

    I'd also recommend getting a set of cabinet scrapers. They are really helpful when shaping the neck, and they cost next to nothing (if you don't already have them).

    Can't wait to see this shape up.
     
  5. KnightBrolaire

    KnightBrolaire tinkerer/aspiring builder/8 string hoarder

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    It's pricey but the stewmac dragon rasp is ridiculously good (get a fine one, not the coarse). also iwasaki rasps, which are really aggressive, can remove a lot of material quickly if need be.
    You can get away with out a bandsaw for this build if all your wood is already bookmatched, though it will make cutting out the body easier than using a jigsaw (still totally doable with a jigsaw though).

    Have fun dude
     
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    I love those Shinto rasps. But FYI, it's cheaper to get them on amazon
     
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    Thanks for the tips guys!

    I ordered the rest of the wood today. The supplier is being nice enough to thickness plane the body blank a little thinner for me, which is good since it's 15" and already glued.

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    I decided to go multi scale for my first build 30 x 28 and 9 string. Doing one fret slot at a time with my harbor freight flush cut saw took a while, but the slots sized up/spaced supprisingly accurately. I also have an opti-visor (harbor freight) wich is a fantastic magnification aid for lay out and cutting of fine, fairly critical details like fret slots, and aligning my single straight fence saw guide. It may have been faster to go single scale. I can imagine there is far more tooling (templates) readily available for more standard designs such as single scale. Have yet to finish the build I can't wait to play it, hope it sounds good! Fantastic luck, have fun! hope I passed some helpful info along:yesway:
     
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    I know where you got that fretboard and neck.... :) I ordered a couple of quilted maple boards from them today! Love W2W.

    Anyway, is your body blank big enough for an explorer body? For flying Vs and explorer styles, you need typically over-sized blanks, unless you scale it down.

    Really looking forward to whatever you are building!
     
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    should I get a "Spoke Shave Plane" for shaving the neck? I think I saw Ormsby useing what looked like one in a video of him shapeing a neck.

    Yeah, that's actually "Black Walnut Guitar Neck Laminate" going to make the neck stringers out of it.
    I bought the swamp ash body blank, black walnut neck laminate, flame maple fretboard, and Control Cavity Cover Plates (1x flame maple and 2x swamp ash... they were cheap enough to have options, lol) from them.
    They have some sweet looking Myrtle and Maple/Cottonwood Burl tops. I'm going to have to go back for my next build.

    For the body size, what I'm designing has a 14.5" max width ATM.
     
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    Not a bad idea^, I'll look into it.
     
  13. LiveOVErdrive

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    I've done my two necks with a rasp, then a Scraper, then sandpaper. Works good but takes some time.

    I just ordered a spokeshave to try on my next neck. Of course it isn't an expensive one so I'll have to spend a few hours tuning it. Oh darn :D

    The drum sander idea is a good one. I'm gonna have to try that. I've only used mine on bodies so far.
     
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    I used my Shinto rasp to shape the neck on my Gibson V build.
     
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    Rasp, scraper, sand paper in that order.

    I did the spokeshave. It works but I don't find it as fast as a Shinto Rasp. Those things seriously hog away material. Takes me about an hour or so to Rasp the neck shape in. Then use the scraper to get rid of tool marks. Then just sand it with fine grit
     
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    If you want to go full beast, I use an angle grinder with a 36 grit flap disc to do my rough carving--including belly contour and the neck shape. I even use a 60 grit disc to carve my tops sometimes. It's FAST, proceed with caution and use a light touch :ugh:

    I've also started using an Arbortech mini grinder for tight areas, but they're expensive, so can't really recommend to someone on a budget.
     
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    Damn. I've got to get one of these shinto rasps.
     
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    Yeah rasps are fast, then like a coarse file, then course to fine sand paper. Rounded files and rasps are handy, you can even wrap sand paper around round rods and stuff. Dunno know about spoke shaves but if they are like chisels, you'll want to keep them razor sharp.
     
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    That's the one! I was able to do mine fairly quickly, when all was said and done. And this was my first time! Just be careful of when you get close to your desired thickness. I have a few deep gouges that I hope will fill in when I grain fill and sand (I guess I can simply use the wood filler paste I just got...).
     

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