I want to record, what do I buy?

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  1. Simic

    Simic SS.org Regular

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    Hey! I'm sure this has been asked a million times before and I did use the search button and read quite a few threads but I'm still making one just to see what y'all think about my situation regarding which piece of gear to get since I'm 100% new to this :)

    What I want: I want to start recording my ideas and covers with decent/high quality.

    What I have right now: A decent laptop (i7, 8gb ram), ATH M50x headphones, Orange Rockerverb 100w head + 2x12 cab, a few guitars

    I want to keep things simple and preferably in a 600€ish budget (I can stretch though). The simpler the better, for real, I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of recording quality if the thing is retard-proof :lol:

    What I feel like might be the right thing for me (judging from the other threads I've read):
    -Bias - I have a windows laptop, I'm guessing it will still work right? If so, which one would you recommend for what I need? Bias amp, bias FX or bias pedal?
    -Suhr reactive load.

    I'll also need a program like Reaper I guess?

    Thank you very much in advance for all the replies :D:hbang::shred:
     
  2. Promit

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    If you want to record the Rockerverb loudly: Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 and an SM57.
    If you want to record the Rockerverb quietly: loadbox like the Suhr, plus the Scarlett, and then some IRs to load on the PC
    If you want to record a digital sim: Scarlett, and Bias - or you can even start with free VSTs such as Poulin.

    You'll need a DAW regardless and Reaper is a perfectly viable choice but not your only choice.
     
  3. devastone

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    Reaper is a good choice for software, as mentioned, there are lots of choices, from free to something like Pro Tools, I think they have a monthly subscription service or something now. It's a nice one to learn because it is the industry standard, but not necessary.

    You will need some kind of audio interface, something like this would work nicely - https://us.focusrite.com/usb-audio-interfaces/scarlett-2i2 it's $150US here, not sure what the cost is there or what is avaible, but again, there are plenty of options for interfaces and a basic one should be way under your budget. Most also come with a limited version of some kind of DAW software that may be enough to accomplish what you want to get out of it.

    Promit had some good suggestions for amp sims and/or ways to record your amp.
     
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    ^ What they said. +1 for Reaper and Scarlett

    One way or another, you'll need the interface, so something like the scarlett will do the trick. Maybe try that first, with some free VSTs, and if you don't like that then go get a 57, then if you stiiiiilll don't like your results, start looking into things like the load boxes, etc.
     
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    I took a look at Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 (why this one over 2i2 tho?) and the Shure and it seems like a really good option for not a lot of money. My only concern is what does recording an amp "loudly" mean (excuse me for such dumb questions haha).

    I do live in a house with a basement so I'm guessing I could crank it a bit (I usually play with volume at 8 o'clock), but my friend cranked his RV to 1 o'clock once and it was so loud it made me want to vomit lol.
     
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    What I do really appreciate about Reaper, besides the unbeatable price, is that there is a huge wealth of tutorials on youtube, and everywhere else on the internet. As you delve further into recording, someone has made a tutorial for whatever specific thing it is you're trying to learn next.

    I went with the 2i4, and even it's simple ability to pad the inputs has come in handy when I plug my guitars in direct that have hotter pickups. Also, being able to hook up MIDI controllers to the 2i4 is awesome, which I didn't realize the 2i2 lacked.

    Generally I feel the advantages the 2i4 has are big ones. Might not take advantage of them right away, but why buy the slightly cheaper thing that can't do MIDI or tame a hot signal?
     
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    They just meant to say that if you're in a situation where you can't crank the amp loud enough to get the tone you want, then a silent option is worth looking into. If you've got a space that lets you use the amp at a reasonable recording volume, then a 57 will do the job.

    The 2i2 I think is the one that used to have a clipping problem if you gave it too hot a signal (it didn't have a "pad" button on it, compared to the higher models). I'm not 100% sure, but I think I read somewhere that a new revision of the 2i2 may have solved that issue.
     
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    The first gen 2i2 had a definite clipping issue - I know, I had and returned one. The 2i4 includes the pad function which is useful. I don't know if the second gen 2i2 still has the clipping issue.
     
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    Listen to these guys with experience on the Focusrite interfaces, I just threw out the 2i2 because it was the most basic one. Personally I have a couple of M-Audio interfaces that work fine for me.
     
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    I'll second (or seventh or whatever) the general consensus of Scarlet, sm57, and Reaper

    I will say I highly recommend picking up a load box in addition if you have some money to spare. Whether it be for practicing or demoing ideas, plugging your amp into your computer and playing through headphones is just so practical and it sounds great. If you're trying to save some money you can use a $20 resistor as a load, though it won't work quite as well as a reactive load.
     
  11. Simic

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    Thanks for the replies guys, Ive looked into it and it seems like scarlett 2i4+sm57+reaper is the cheapest and simplest way to go while still getting good results.
    If I also buy a loadbox I then also need to buy cab impulses right? Any suggestions?
     
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    There are plenty of excellent free cab sims out there to begin with! This page has a solid list. http://bedroomproducersblog.com/201...6-best-free-guitar-cabinet-impulse-responses/

    my usual go to is to start with the Orange 212 impulse, and then adjust or switch impulses from there depending on the context of the song
     
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    shure sm58, focusrite audio interface and a decent audio editing software :)
     
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    I had a 2i2 and an 18i20. The 2i2 definitely had clipping issues when going direct. I ended up getting a Mackie Blackjack Onyx, and thought that was significantly better than the 2i2. The 18i20 is much bigger, and overkill for anything you need. Now, I have a Tascam UH-7000, and its the best interface I've used so far.

    So the basics...software, interface, then depending on if you want to record using sims or your amp...youll either need sims or a mic (SM57 is the choice if you can only have 1), or you can go the attenuator/direct route with IRs. I did that for a while, too, and used a Weber Load Dump...the weber stuff is awesome and cheap.
     

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