Holy SHIT! (primary results)

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  1. Groff

    Groff Medicine Chief/RHLC©

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    (I felt the results deserved it's own thread)
    National overview - 2008 Primary Results - MSNBC.com
    My mom tells me this morning McCain won NJ
    And Hillary came out on top in jersey as well.
    But if you look at the numbers:
    599,620 for Hillary
    309,622 for McCain
    So we're still democratic :yesway:

    The states Hillary took were by a margin on 10%, but some of the states Obama took were landslides.
    Hillary is still on top according to that site by 100 delegates :(

    EDIT:
    According to this site:
    Obama claims delegate lead - Mike Allen - Politico.com
    Obama came out on top :scratch: Can't really seem to find consistent info.
     
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    sakeido <b><font color="#E5BC84">Is a Pastafarian</font></

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    How does Clinton have more super delegates? Its pretty obvious that Obama is just picking up more and more steam as time goes on. And that site... I thought a superdelegate had much more voting power than a normal delegate? So why would they be added in and counted all the same?
     
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    noodles <font color=#FF0000><b>I'm your huckleberry</font>

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    Delegates represent all the votes from one precinct. So, when people go to vote in the primaries, the winner from there precinct gets one delegate vote. Superdelegates are party officials: senators, representitives, governors, long standing/ranking members of the DNC, etc. They each get one delegate vote. So, one superdelegate has the power of an entire precinct of voters.

    This is why I do not like superdelegates. They have far too much power to sway the vote. As in this case, where Obama came out ahead last night, but Hilary has the lead because she is the choice of the rank and file. I find superdelegates every bit as ridiculous as the electoral college.
     
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    Rick ALL HAIL DJOD

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    I did not know that. Wow, how ridiculous.
     
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    Groff Medicine Chief/RHLC©

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    :agreed:

    I do not like them either. Mainly because they were created to sway the votes out of peoples hands, because they felt the people en masse were too ignorant to make decisions about government.

    Which goes against everything the country was *supposed* to be founded on. Then again... There are a lot of examples of hypocrisy upon the founding of the country.
     
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    Drew <font color="#C35617"><b>Fear the Polo!</b></font>

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    Though, to be fair, Clinton had a larger superdelegate margin coming into the primaries last night, so that's actually an Obama gain.

    Honestly, it's tough NOT to see last night as a win for Obama. He won more states than Clinton by a margin of almost 2:1, and only came in about 20 delegates behind (last I saw) in the delegate count. Considering Obama's support is more grassroots than Clinton's, and it's tough to run a grassroots campaign in 22 states at once, that's a remarkable showing.
     
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    noodles <font color=#FF0000><b>I'm your huckleberry</font>

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    Actually, you would be wrong. Vote was originally only the right of white, male landowners. No one else was considered qualified enough to be trusted with such an important responsibility. The president was to be elected by Congress, since the masses were considered incapable of considering the candidates for the job and making the right decision. Even after that changed, the electoral college was implemented to prevent a regional candidate from running away with the popular vote.

    I know it is hard to stomach, but our founding fathers, by and large, were rich, slave owning, elitist snobs. I may be a student of the work of Thomas Jefferson, but I never forget that he was a wealthy plantation aristocrat who fathered illegitement children with the very people his government denied citizenship to. For someone who's core philosophy was the government that governs best governs least, he did plenty to expand the powers of the federal government and the office of president, going so far as to illegally spend federal tax dollars on a massive land purchase that was never authorized by Congress.
     
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    The Dark Wolf <b><i><font color="Black">Canis lupis obscurus</fo

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    Noodles's Amer'kan History X.


    :agreed: he's also absolutely correct. The Founding Fathers had an insane fear of rule by the rabble.
     
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    Just want to throw in that I voted Obama. :yesway:
     
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    By May 6, when Indiana votes, the elcetion will probably still be undecided. Weird, huh?
     
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    noodles <font color=#FF0000><b>I'm your huckleberry</font>

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    Our primary isn't until Feb 12. :noway:
     
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    Groff Medicine Chief/RHLC©

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    Which was what I was trying to say, guess I didn't back up my fact right. But that was the idea :lol:

    How many more states are there left to vote in primarys?
     
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    Drew <font color="#C35617"><b>Fear the Polo!</b></font>

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    We've had about 30 states vote so far. 20 more to go, with a LOT of electoral votes still out there.
     
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    Vince <b><font color="#FFFFFF">Vince is X!!!</font></b>

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    My wife & I did too. My parents & sister all voted for Clinton however.
     
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    No more Mitt Romney. I didn't like that guy much, though.
     
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    Official delegate total is now 861 Obama and 855 Clinton according to MSNBC.
     
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    Link?! This race is too confusing for little old me... :scratch:
     
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