Guitarists mostly sound the same now?

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  1. ArtHam

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    Either that or guitar playing will become drastically unhip again and the grunge thing will re-emerge.
     
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    I don't think we're ever going to really see a massive swing in any direction again. Music is too accessible.

    Back in the day, when TV and FM radio were the only real ways to hear music without direct purchase the scene could easily be switched and sway one way or another, now not so much.
     
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    I think it's more that artsy visionaries of today are less likely to stick to the guitar, since they have way more possibilities with Ableton, ROLI, Native Instruments etc. I've written a lot of cool sounding things in the box and, being a guitar player primarily, adapted it to guitar and it usually comes out sounding a little less... interesting. It may sound different "for a guitar" but still not as different as the Reaktor patch already did.

    So with that out of the way, a lot of guitar players fighting for attention these days and self-promoting their asses off are really just trying to get recognition for their guitar playing and tone. I.e. trying to rise through the ranks as objectively "good" at it for clicks and likes. And for something to be objectively good you need a reference, something to measure by. You wouldn't be able to say xx guitar player is better than yy guitar player unless the style and tone was similar enough to compare the two, so here we are, wading through guitar players sounding the same because if they all had unique styles, how could we tell who wins?
     
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    TL;DR - Just don''t read all of this nonsense and rambling.

    I like this reply from bostjan.

    I am a bit older so I am typically stuck on the same bands. I try to find new stuff but it is very hard for me to do so. I feel like the grandpa that says kids these days, smh.

    I could not get into the djent thing at all. I love Meshuggah but that is as far as it goes for me and that is what I consider djent, I dislike how that genre evolved into what it is now.

    I know that is mostly what this site is and I am not trying to offend anyone here, I just do not like today's kind of metal. There are a few bands here and there that I can really get into but I still feel that the late 90's/early 00's have some of the best music metal has to offer.

    I recognize the level of skill and talent has gotten insanely good for a lot of younger kids today, I just do not like how they implement it. I am a metalhead for sure but lately I find myself enjoying listening to other genres like the band Marbin for example or maybe some classical music.

    My post is mostly about bands I know but to me the youtube guys I do not watch because of their music. It is more for an entertainment or informational purposes.

    Some examples would be Fluff. He is the man, #1 YT guy for me, I love his gear demos. He knows his stuff and I can always count on a good review.

    Jared Dines, funny AF and I watch him to laugh my ass off.

    Rob Scallon is the bees knees. For me he covers great comedy (mad libs is epic) but his music is freaking amazing to me. Right up my ally.

    I know there are way more guys out there but I think it just depends on what you are looking for and what reasons you watch/listen. As far as everything sounding the same I agree with my quoted reply from bostjan. That is not uncommon and is just how it goes with every generation.

    I do think metal has become stagnant for sure but I also feel metal isn't even metal anymore. I am ready to see what the next phase will be but unfortunately I am pretty sure I will not be the guitarist to bring it to you haha.
     
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    Short answer: no. You've probably made the mistake to dig out similar sounding guitarists on purpose...
     
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    The only metal I've been remotely interested in during the last few years has been the artists going farther into the prog side or whatever other genre they mix in. Unless it's Animals as Leaders or Meshuggah I mostly don't care about ERG work, and definitely not binary chug garbage. Yes it's fun to play and dick around with, but so are shitty dad rock blues licks which I also don't want to sit around and listen to intently either. Riding your downtuned 8th string in a 21/16 time signature doesn't make your music "prog".

    I actually hate how Youtube just immediately puts you in an echo chamber of whatever you've been listening to recently. I go on a kick of listening to David Maxim Micic and Owane and that type of stuff is all I see in my home page. Yes I enjoy it but it's hard to overcome to algorithms to get recommendations of other stuff.
     
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    I sort of disagree. I think this has always been the case, it's just that it's easier to promote yourself if you sound very similar to what's already out there. Tons of people in the 80s wanted to be EVH, and tons sounded very similar. They didn't necessarily have the ability to promote themselves like with YouTube today.

    I don't even necessarily think it's a problem. People like what they like, they want to play what they want. Complaining that people sound the same is like an "old man yells at cloud" sort of situation. I'm sure there are those who would say the players you think are too similar have their own unique styles too. Kind of like how all the blues guys at the store I took lessons at as a kid wrote off anyone who played anything fast using scales other than the pentatonic minor as being "one of those shred guys that all sound the same."
     
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    There are still some gems out there for sure though. Guys like Scott Carstairs in Fallujah have some serious chops and I think he manages to sound fairly unique. Basically if Holdsworth played Tech/Death metal. Plus, the videos Scott releases of him just noodling around or practicing, albeit few and far between, are really cool. I know he isn't really an instrumental kind of guy, but Fallujah does have some long spans in tracks of pure instrumental music, or pseudo instrumental music (the songs Dreamless and Chemical Caves comes to mind).

    We are just saturated with a lot of guys with technical ability. And I think Max said it earlier in the thread, but that doesn't always translate well to song writing.
     
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    On youtube you're mainly listening to tonnes of very, VERY incomplete bedrooms players. The people you're listing are professional musicians and experts on their guitar, who also have the support and time to really develop their tone too. That's the main difference.
     
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  10. eightsixboy

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    Yea forgot about Keneally. Still one of the best out there. I remember him on tour with Vai and being blown away by his musicality.

    Don't worry I have been listening to Lage a lot lately, such a talent, like freakish talent.

    I honestly never got the whole Polyphia vibe either, I like there early stuff way more then the newer stuff, which to me, all the tracks seem to blend into one sound almost.

    Cool, some guys there I hadn't heard of, checking them out now.

    Nicks awesome.

    One thing I found/find weird is how come Nick got super popular real quick but other similar players didn't, like Tom Quayle or Rick Graham. As much as I love Nick's playing, to me, Tom or Rick are the kings of Legato and that sort of playing.

    Well if you look at the prog/metal stuff I think almost all the new players sound the same. The only reason I mention this genre is it seems to be what most solo guys are playing or what's the most popular in the guitar community at the moment.

    Short of Nick Johnston or Jason Richardson I can't really think of any new player who has had a real impact in the last few years in terms of being different or setting the bar. Basically all the other main players, regardless of genre, had already been around or "known" for many many years.

    Another player I really dig is Al Joseph, but he has also been around for many years, but I don't see him really getting any recognition which is a little sad. To me this kind of thing is much more musically interesting and diverse then say Polyhia or Jason Richardson. Then there's also Brian Maillard and Marco Sfogli, who also seen to go unrecognised in the guitar mainstream for some reason.

    I could listen to this kind of instrumental stuff all day and never get bored.

     
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    I started following Al Joseph on Instagram a little bit ago, and the dude had serious chops and he does vocals in his band. Lots of respect for him, and his blue Ibanez with the gold hardware is super sexy.

    I think Nick Johnston is gaining more traction than Rick Graham because Nick is touring a LOT. Graham doesn’t really tour at all, unless I’m wrong, but I never see him part of a band or advertising some type of tour.
     
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    I'm glad music scenes get stagnant and over saturated. I'm still discovering new Melodic Death Metal bands from the 00s that were copying In Flames/COB/At the Gates etc, its my fav genre of music and there is still a mountain of bands I haven't discovered yet.

    It happens for every big artist. Most have been forgotten but there used to be hundreds of Yngwie clones doing the neo-classical fender thing. I'm not really into instrumental guitar but I'm sure the Shrapnel lineup was packed full of Vai, Satch and Gilbert clones too but how many of them do people remember.
     
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    I mean you're looking into a genre that always ends up sounding the same no matter the era. Any time there's been a resurgence in shred music it's almost always because of one guy/band who then gets their sound copied by every other guy who has decent chops but not many original ideas which isn't necessarily a bad thing since it'll help their playing and push others to try and be more unique. There are plenty of standout guitarists in the genre but right now its in a slump because its a bunch of young guys with insane playing skills who just haven't found their own sound yet.
     
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    I think the ability to create such a polished product on your own is part of what causes the stagnation.

    You can sit in your bedroom doing blazing runs to a metronome non stop and tweaking your presets till they are just right and you will be technically proficient and sound good, but you don't get that give and take from playing with other musicians, when someone hears your riff and has something they want to ad to it, or a band member can't keep up with a part so it changes to fit.

    A lot of the organic element of songwriting are lost when your band is three tracks of yourself and some drum triggers.
     
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    Once you get past metal/prog stuff, you begin to see that there's TONS of amazing guitarists out there right now in the indie, pop, shoegaze, and other similar scenes

    Mateus Asato, James Valentine, Sleepy Dog, Yvette Young, etc

    All of them bring a really unique twist on this lighter/more accessible guitar-based music

    There's even tons of excellent guitar playing in emo/post-hardcore/melodic-hardcore as well

    Go back 10+ years, kids would pick up guitars to mimick the likes of James Hetfield, Kurt Cobain, etc... Go back 2-4+ years, the djent kid and metalcore wave attracted tons of people to the instrument. Now it's pop and indie music.

    Just change where you're looking and I'm certain you'll find tons of amazing guitarists with refreshing playing and takes on the instrument.

    edit: add math rock to the list of scenes/genres, thanks bhakan for the reminder
     
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    I already posted in this thread but I'm gonna add on more anyway. If you're looking for new, unique virtuosic playing it's still out there, it's just exploring different ideas than shred and prog metal.

    Josh Martin uses all kinds of crazy techniques. I highly recommend his videos.


    Battles' use of looping and effects really makes some of the most creative use of new guitar tech from the last couple decades and constitutes a whole different kind of technical ability in the tap dancing required to operate all that.


    This is some crazy tapping


    I listen to a lot of math rock, and when going through that genre you eventually start to hit the same wall of "lots of people sound the same," but if you take the list of real refreshing players from prog metal, add it to the list of uniqe math rock player, add that to all the crazy jazz musicians, etc etc it starts to look a lot less gloomy.
     
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    The worst part of math rock is people who just ramp up the compressor on their clean patch and tap notes that happen to be in key and think that makes it decent technical music. Melody and harmony thrown to the wind.
     
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    same could be said for metal/prog music tbh, but I think that the whole math rock wave hasn't been completely overdone yet so it still doesn't sound that bad/saturated to most people.

    I do think many of them need to focus more on the songwriting aspect of it rather than just displays of sheer technicality though, you can't deny that. That Good Game example linked above is a bit wankish but they did so in a really cool way imo, it draws me in rather than pushing me away which I find really uncommon with overly wankish playing.
     
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    The guys in the Good Game video epitomize the above-average guitarist making the stylistic choice to stand in the hole created by everyone else that’s driven a particular subgenre into the ground by piling onto it.

    Brock’s Steamed Hams playthrough is the best guitar performance I’ve seen in years, but his priorities seem to lie with a different unprofitable genre.

    Same with Mauricio Torres:



    I’d give a nut to play like him, but that music is in direct competition with everyone else tapping with their humbuckers in parallel through a one-knobbed compressor that gets pimped on the Strandberg Facebook page.

    Unfortunately, the modern pioneers of two-handed playing are all going to have to go through the motions of sounding like each other before they sound like themselves. But even when they arrive at that, they may end up as cool as Erlend Krauser (below) while still producing equally unmarketable music. I like the stuff, but my liking it won’t pay the bills for anyone.

     
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    Genre skipping helps when everything sounds stale. I've become a middle aged fart that dislikes anything new in metal ("I've heard it all before"), so I moved to jazz (Lage!), country (still going through Chet and Jerry Reed, need suggestions for some new guys/gals) and different acoustic genres -> For example, check out these Brazilian acoustic players, they've got 7-strings and they burn: Dino 7 Cordas, Raphael Rabello and Yamandu Costa (there must be loads of others too, but I've just scratched the surface).
     
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