I did not fail . I gave you several reasons without mentioning Obama. You just don't personaly like the reasons because they are the antithisis of YOUR beliefs/views. And as for "everyone has to go off topic to rebuke your baseless claims", I say, Why? Can't you except that other people have opinions that differ from your's? If you feel the need to attempt to rebuke all my "baseless claims" that is fine, but I'd hardly say it's a "has to" thing. Maybe you take this internet discusion thing too seriously? Does it always have to be a debate? I've always assumed it was a discussion as much as a debate. It becomes a debate when people disagree, and then try to prove one another wrong. I come on here and state my view, then am bombarded with post telling me how wrong they are, of which I select certain points which were used in attempt to invalidate my points, and I counter rebuke them. So I'm not sure what you expect really Maybe you just don't like being disagreed with?