Gary Kramer R-36 Turbulence vs. Schecter Hellraiser C-7

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  1. Destro

    Destro SS.org Regular

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    This is my first post, so hi everyone out there.
    I hope this is the right section to post this.

    I'm currently having a severe GAS attack between these 2 models:

    Gary Kramer R-36 Turbulence.
    Gary Kramer Guitars

    Pros:
    - Extended range (36 frets)
    - Weirdness factor (I will count it as a pro)
    - Stock _price_ (I'd be getting a stock model, not a hot-rodded)
    - I have read a thread in this forum, i think, and there were several opinions stating that it's a really nice instrument.

    Schecter Hellraiser C-7 FR
    Schecter Guitar Research
    (Can find a direct link to the new website. Apparently everything flash.)

    Pros:
    - Really nice looking finish (I love the BCH one)
    - EMGs (i like them, planning a possible 18V mod)
    - And most important: I tried a supposedly similar model (Loomis sig.) and it just sounds and feels _great_.

    This is going to be my first 7-string guitar, so any feedback would be most welcome (Pros, cons, another suggestions,...) Which one would _you_ get?

    Thanks in advance to everyone.
     
  2. gunshow86de

    gunshow86de Beef Jerky Time Contributor

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    It's hard to compare these two, because they are so different. Since you obviously like the look of both, we can throw that out the window.

    But, let's look at the obvious;

    With the Kramer, you only have the bridge pickup. How important is a neck pickup to you?

    You said you liked the Loomis. Having owned a Loomis and played the C-7 I can tell you they aren't as similar as you would think. The Loomis neck feels a bit thinner and the satin finish gives it a very different feel. The body wood in the Loomis is ash, while the C-7 is mahogany. Which gives them pretty distinctly different tones.

    Hope this helps.
     
  3. 74n4LL0

    74n4LL0 I'm a robot...

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    well for the reduced price (700$) I'd go for the Gary kramer a really unique instrument...but I already have a quite normal 7 string guitar...
    If you need the neck pickup you can buy the R29 (Gary Kramer Guitars)
     
  4. yingmin

    yingmin Parker über alles

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    That Gary Kramer may have 36 frets, but access past about the 26th fret looks horrible. Honestly, all those extra frets just seem really gimmicky and impractical to me.

    But where would you put it? There's absolutely no room on that guitar for another pickup.
     
  5. RenegadeDave

    RenegadeDave Huge nerd

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    Yeah, I was going to throw out there that 27 looks like the absolute last "playable" fret, unless you're tapping over the top.
     
  6. technomancer

    technomancer Gearus Pimptasticus Super Moderator

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    1) the higher frets are basically intended for tapping
    2) if you click the link you'd answer your own question

    With that said, I'd probably grab the Kramer as others have pointed out it's a unique instrument... and with the large price break right now it's a good time to pick one up :agreed:
     
  7. The Echthros

    The Echthros Stupid, apparently

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    I hate to derail the OPs thread, but technically this is one of those 36 fretters too...but 10,000x more amazing than the regular ones:

    Gary Kramer Guitars

    :scream::scream::scream::scream::scream:
     
  8. yingmin

    yingmin Parker über alles

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    badger71 SS.org Regular

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    Note to self: try out a Kramer 7 string asap. :hbang::hbang::hbang:
     
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    The Echthros Stupid, apparently

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    ^^^^^^this makes me wanna buy one just to do filthy things to it like that!
     
  11. technomancer

    technomancer Gearus Pimptasticus Super Moderator

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    That swirl is awesome, but it's also $1200 more than the base model :lol:
     
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    The Echthros Stupid, apparently

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    yeah, i dont know what a swirl job would cost. but i guess he warrants the increase by saying he had the swirl done, had wiring and pickup upgraded, and it has now become one bad mofo of a guitar.

    wonder how it would stand next to a UV:ugh:......:flame:

    I would also think these hot rod prices reflect pricing when he was selling these guitars at 1399 and not at his current mark down

    this one is also quite tastey
    [​IMG]

    To the OP...I HATE YOU

    not really...but you just brought back some serious gas that i had been reperessing for almost 2yrs!
     
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    RenegadeDave Huge nerd

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    The swirl is sexy.
     
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    sevenstringj Banned

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    Have fun playing that low B on the side of the fretboard! :lol:
     
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    technomancer Gearus Pimptasticus Super Moderator

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    That looks like it may just be because of the camera angle :2c:

    That and I'll second the thanks to the OP, I hadn't realized they price dropped these before this thread :squint: :rofl:
     
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    Destro SS.org Regular

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    First of all, thanks a lot for all the replies.

    On the subject of the neck pickup: I don't really use it, so it's not an issue.

    Great info. I assumed there would be tonal differences due to the different woods, but overall wouldn't be so different. Looking to both necks... Which one would you say that feels 'softer' to play? Loomis sig.?

    Looking at the design of the Turbulence the advantage of the 36 frets would be easier access to 24th-26th frets. You should hace _really_ thin fingers to play higher frets that 26th.The rest would be mostly for tapping,making annoyingly high pitched noises and face-melting factor.

    That might be a pain in the ass. A diagonal cut in the fretboard sacrificing higher frets in the low strings (Like R-29 model) could solve that issue. Otherwise a readjustment in the pick attack technique could be required.
    ... But it's not easy to play with an exquisite attack with the most-tiny-point of the pick while in a death metal frenzy.

    The swirl is awesome, but out of budget right now.

    Back to the GAS...
     
  17. TemjinStrife

    TemjinStrife Power Metal Cellist

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    Holy crap! The Kramertorium is down to $749! Dammit!!!

    EDIT: I'd personally get the R-26 with the single in the neck. You won't lose much playability and gain a bit of versatility. The Loomis is an awesome guitar (much better than the HR in my opinion) but I love the uniqueness factor of the Kramers.
     
  18. EliNoPants

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    i'd go with the Kramer, but i really like weird shit, so i'm sure that's influencing my decision
     
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    The Echthros Stupid, apparently

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    unless I missed something he was looking for a sevenstring right? The R-29 has only 6....:wallbash:
     
  20. Bloody_Inferno

    Bloody_Inferno Silence is Violence

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    Didn't Uli Jon Roth's 7 string Sky Guitar had 36 frets also? And that everything after 27th fret was a fretless on that axe?
     

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