Female-only areas in Japan.

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  1. distressed_romeo

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    There was an article in the Daily Telegraph yesterday, where it said that Japan had started creating women-only restaraunts and trains, due to the way men behave towards women in public (groping, reading porn on the tube etc.). If it was any other country I'd think it was a bit silly, but given what I've heard about the way women are treated in Japan I can see it being needed...

    Any thoughts? Naren, you're better placed than anyone else to offer some perspective on this...
     
  2. Desecrated

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    I dont think segregation is the solution, they should instead find out why they treat women bad and fix whatever causes the problem.
     
  3. distressed_romeo

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    I think part of the problem is that that sort of attitude is so ingrained into the national psyche that it couldn't really be fixed within one generation.
     
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    but won't this just cause further problems down the road?
     
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    is it optional? is it like an escape for women? "Come here if you want to.... if you feel like being away from males"? i wouldn't say an optional retreat is the same as segragation.

    it sucks that it had to come to that though. guys will hopefully feel the deprivation and either straighten up.... or they'll feel the deprivation and be even more horny and stupid.

    problem is that men make the laws (or lack of them) and chose to enforce (or ignore) them.
     
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    I'm thinking, yes lol. Instead of men just happening to come across women (no pun intended) in every day scenarios like going to bars, catching the tube, etc... they will actually be aware of where women will be in MASS numbers and just go there, no doubt they won't be welcomed with open arms.

    I'm not saying all men are going to go hunting for the women but you will get the minority who will go seeking them out in their 'women-only areas' and they will know exactly where to find them.
     
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    I should have said, it is optional areas the women can retreat to, not forced segregation...

    It will be interesting to see how it develops, as it could easily go either way. You'd hope that the kind of men who'd abuse the new system in the way Delfino Pie described will be in the minority, but...
     
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    kinda like the girl's bathrooms? there's always nothing but girls in those ;)
     
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    Most of the time, anyway. :idea:
     
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    Hmm, could help, but I think it'll just lead to the problem getting worse. As more women choose to go to these "optional" areas, the harrasment gets worse for the others as there's less women in the general areas. Hence more are inclined to go the the women only areas. Repeat until total segregation occurs.

    You've obviously never been to Slimelight. Not that I'd really expect you to have visited a London cybergoth club, it's a bit of a trek for you. The bogs there are a free-for-all. Guys, girls, trannies, couples having sex...
     
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    Sounds interesting, very liberal. But I have images in my head of unshaven girls - think hippies who have cross-bred with bears.

    I have no idea why I'm picturing that, maybe I've had too much sun lol.
     
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    :lol: Good lads!

    :ugh: Fuckin hell!
     
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    Actually, this isn't new. There have been women-only sections of some trains for over 10 years. For example, the saikyo line has a women-only train. It is obviously optional. When trains get really really crowded, there are people who grope women. Then, of course, it can be so crowded that you'll accidentally touch somebody. For example, today I was riding the yamanote line to Shinjuku (where I work, probably the most crowded station in the world) and I just had my hands at my side. It was really crowded and a woman in front of me bent down, which pushed her butt backwards, touching my hand. I, of course, immediately withdrew my hand and I'm sure she knew I wasn't trying to touch her, but there are some paranoid women who think that everyone is a "masher." I've personally never seen one of these gropings before. There are female gropers as well, but obviously they aren't as common as men.

    And, I vehemently disagree with people who think that women-only areas are going to make the matter worse. My biggest problem with Japan since the first time I came to Japan 5-6 years ago is the treatment of women.

    I think most of the speculation in this thread is by people who don't have any idea what it's actually like or what the situation is like. It's not segregation. There are not women-only areas of restaurants or anything like that. There are basically just women-only sections of crowded areas. If a man did go onto a women-only train car, they would get in huge trouble (might have to pay a fine, might get attacked by the women). For reference, I'd say that the train I was riding today was 60% female and 40% male. So, it's not like all the women are going to the women-only trains. And most trains don't have these areas. I live in Tokiwadai, Itabashi on the Tobu-tojo line which does not have any women-only train cars. It doesn't need them. There's no need. I can only think of three train lines that have women-only train cars and they all have had specific problems in the past.

    Anyway, this is no big deal. Japan has had this common problem with its views on women for hundreds and hundreds of years (I'd say easily over 1000 years). Although there have been variations and I would say the treatment of women now is much better than it was 50 years ago or 100 years ago or 200 years ago (and anyone who knows Japanese history will agree with me), I can say that this problem is not going to go away anywhere in the near future.
     
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    Sounds just like the original Limelight in NYC, which I'm sure inspired the name. ;)
     
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    Naren, obviously you're better placed to comment on this than we are. We're just voicing our oppinons based on the facts we knew at the time. Your post has made me rethink my first post a little, but it hasn't changed my oppion (and yours) that the Japanese need to improve their treatment of women.

    Never seen any hippie/bear hybrids, but there is the occasional shaven headed girl. They've mostly got very funky hair with wool, plastic or foam braided in.

    well it's not normally too bad, the shagging's usually only going on in the "yellow" toilets on the middle floor.

    Quite possibly. Maybe the "Slime" part came about as it's a bit of a grotty place. It's a paintball / air soft combat game arena that happens to hold a few club nights too.
     
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    This has the "smell" of something that's blown out of proportion by the media, like the gay marriage issue in the U.S....
     
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    Interesting stuff...

    Naren...Sorry if I didn't have all the facts straight...I was just refering to what I read in the paper yesterday, and was interested in your perspective.

    Has anyone read 'Fear and Trembling' by Amelie Nothomb (before anyone accuses me of getting offtopic, I already started a seperate thread about her in Media)? That one's about a western woman working for a female boss in a Japanese corporation...great book.
     
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    What's wrong with reading porn on a train?

    It's not like they are forcing the women to look at their porn are they?
     
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    No, but it's still pretty pathetic...I imagine a lot of women would find it pretty intimidating.
     
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    Those are some weak ass women then.
     

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