Engl Savage 60?

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  1. gnoll

    gnoll SS.org Regular

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    Hey,

    Anyone got experience with this head? I'm kind of attracted by the lower price compared to a 120, but maybe the bigger one is better?

    The 60 supposedly has EL34's, which I'm not that keen on usually, but I could run the preamp through something else if I don't like the power section.

    Mainly what I'm wondering is how does the 60 head compare to the 120 head, and how does the 60 preamp compare to the 120 preamp? I'm thinking the preamps should be pretty close, but it seems the 60 has 4 preamp tubes and the 120 has 6. Also the switches and things seem to differ a bit between them.
     
  2. Wizard of Ozz

    Wizard of Ozz Arch-Mage of Metal

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    Well the Savage 120 is actually only like 80W total power output... not 120W as the name implies as it uses 2 6550s in the power section. And when you play one, the volume output feels and sounds more like 50W amp. It's not a super loud amp like you may imagine. So the Savage 60W is probably more like 40-50W in total power output. Engl has a habit of overstating/overating the wattage output of their amps. If you like the Savage 120 tones, and are worried about it being too loud, don't worry. It has a good dual MV layout and sounds great at low volumes.
     
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    Never played the 60 but the Savage 120 flat out rips! One of my favorite heads!

    Wizard, Engl told me on several occasions through email that the Savage 120 does put out 120w. Not sure if they were blowing smoke or what?
     
  4. Wizard of Ozz

    Wizard of Ozz Arch-Mage of Metal

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    Not mathematically possible. Physics! The plate voltage is too low. Maybe if it was 500+ volts on the plates.
    :coffee: :cheers:
     
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  5. LiveOVErdrive

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    Max plate dissipation on a 6550 is like 35 watts. Couldn't you get 120w if you biased really cold?

    Or does that max dissipation require a higher plate voltage than they run?

    I'm a circuits guy but tube power sections have always confused me.
     
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    The 120 is phenomenal. If you can, I'd go for it.
     
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    HeHasTheJazzHands greg rulz ok

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    Probably a long-shot, but maybe @Ola Englund could chime in since he's used both the 60 and 120.
     
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    Ola Englund SS.org Regular

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    yeah the 60 I had was a nightmare, it was blowing fuses all over the place, it sounded good but my savage 120 sounded better.
     
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