EBMM JP16

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  1. jephjacques

    jephjacques BUTTS LOL

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    The more I look at it the more I like it. :yesway:
     
  2. psycle_1

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    Unfortunately, same here. LOL. I wish they wouldn't have put the forearm scoop on it, but oh well.
     
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    I think it is really sharp the way they paired the roasted maple with the black/brownish paint.

    I'm just wondering what that Korean Floyd will be like. Not sure if I should get this or get a Majesty.
     
  4. beerandbeards

    beerandbeards Majestic Shoveler

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    Majesty for sure:hbang:

    I prefer the lighter body and thinner neck
     
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    you still liking yours?
     
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    Thought I'd share this video since I remember there being some discussion about the 'Smokey Ebony' thing being a sales tactic. I certainly wasn't ignorant to the woes of sourcing ebony prior to watching this, but this video was an eye-opener to me nonetheless.

    The TL;DW for those who don't have 13 minutes:
    • Taylor owns the company that has the logging rights for ebony in Cameroon, which is pretty much the last country in the world with significant and legal ebony reserves. Taylor has legal rights to as much as 75% of Cameroon's ebony (they are presumably logging it at a more sustainable rate, however).
    • Bob Taylor relates a story where only 2 in 20 ebony trees were being successfully logged, whilst the rest (i.e. 90%) were cut down and discarded. That's because only 2 in every 20 trees cut down has the purest black ebony (known to me as Gaboon ebony, but obviously it is no longer harvested in Gaboon), whilst the rest had colour variation. This variation is identified through the stump, which in turn requires cutting down the tree, but the trees wouldn't be hauled if they're known to be discoloured. This is because demand made the blackest ebony worth 5x as much as the discoloured stuff, and the local loggers were barely making any profit on the blackest ebony to begin with. So the discoloured ebony was left to rot because harvesting it wasn't economically viable.
    • Bob Taylor decided to make the discoloured ebony and the blackest ebony the same price to avoid this wastage. So now we have 10x the amount of ebony, but 90% of it will be of the discoloured variety. He neither argued that this was a good or a bad thing, just said it was reality. People can choose to market it as a beautiful thing if they want, or as an ugly thing if they want, but as a responsible harvester, Taylor has to sell it all.
    • Consequently, you'll be seeing a lot more guitars in the future with discoloured ebony because that's what Taylor is pushing. It's just a reality of the natural world that ~90% of Taylor's ebony stocks will be so-called 'discoloured'.

    So that explains why EBMM went with the 'Smokey Ebony'--I'd imagine Taylor is putting the lean on their larger clients to start purchasing whatever stocks they have, not just the blackest of the black. I'd wager this is how it'll be from here on out too, at least for the mass market builders. Obviously you'll always still get your preference with custom instruments, etc.

    Ostensibly EBMM is spinning it as a bit of a marketing thing here, but maybe not (they might just be trying to protect themselves from accusations of using low-quality ebony). Either way, so be it. We're going to have to stop moaning about it if we want the ebony forests to be logged sustainably.

    Anyway, didn't mean to preach, I just enjoyed the video. Maybe you will too.

     
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    Rachmaninoff Amateur porn actor

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    I think it's great that ebony being used is being left natural. Most people dye their ebony to darken it anyways, but given the opportunity I'd think that having a nice variation in my ebony would be desirable but that's just me. Some guitars have that stealth look that black ebony will complement, but lighter and more mixed ebony has it's place too.
     
  9. Andromalia

    Andromalia Pardon my french

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    The physical properties of ebony are the same whatever the color. I do think that streaked ebony looks even better with natural tops who are themselves of varied colours. If all you want is black, then stained rosewood does the trick too. (the guy inventing a way to have black maple boards will get rich too)
     
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    It may also be why they went with that dark brown colour for the body. It compliments the ebony well, and picks up whatever brown spots/streaks might be in it.
     
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    Am I the only one who thinks music man is gonna make alot if they just make the JPs semi custom like Andersons or Suhrs, with different top options, colour, hardware, wood options etc?
     
  12. A-Branger

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    well you can already select the color top that you want. But yeah having a choice of the color of the hardware (chrome/gold/black) would be good, same with wood choices.

    In a way you kinda can when they offer special runs for rosewood necks, and the PDN color/hardware/wood runs that you can apply to any model.

    Not sure how hard this would be for them to do, but I dont see much difference with what is already the process to order. Like they could do that for only trough an PDN store kidna thing.

    would be cool to see some cool color combinations from people
     
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    Hot pink everything with maple neck and black hardware. I'd be the first one down the line. And another in matte white w/maple neck. :hbang:
     
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    add some white pups to it and maybe a nice top with a trans pink color (or not) and you have a winner :shred:
     
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    beerandbeards Majestic Shoveler

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    I still LOVE mine
     
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    Just got back from the first London show of the Astonishing. For the record, it was unbelieveable! I'd like to think it was perhaps a bit more magical being the first show of the tour as well.

    Anyway, JP didn't play a single JP16 all night. If he did bring them on tour, he's not using them yet. A bunch of different Majestys, a Taylor 6 string, and a Taylor 12 string, but that was it.

    The JP2C sounded pretty ridiculous as well. One of the best guitar tones I've ever heard live.
     
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    I prefer the older style JPs by a long shot
     
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    Buuuump. Anyone play/own one yet? I'm seeing places online only having pre-orders up still. Hoping to get someone's in-person thoughts.
     
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    Slight necro bump but if you look at the specs on their website it says Dimarzio Sonic Ecstasy pickups. That's what the 4th signature pickup set now? Also went to warped tour Friday and according to the dude working there he said they're like a beefier Illuminator and voiced specifically for the 16.
     
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    That's news to me. I didn't know he had another set already.
     

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