Doctor Strange

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  1. PunkBillCarson

    PunkBillCarson SS.org Regular

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    Just got back and as a huge Strange fan for a long time, I'm very impressed. The movie was done brilliantly and Cumberbatch killed it as Strange just as I knew he would. Couldn't love it more and probably going back to see it.
     
  2. Xaios

    Xaios Foolish Mortal Contributor

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    Saw it last night, was highly enjoyable.

    I did notice one thing though, that the music was highly reminiscent of the music from the newest Star Trek movies. Then I noticed during the credits that it was scored by Michael Giacchino. :lol:
     
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    I'm going to be the party pisser. Although I enjoyed it, it was devoid of anything unique in the story and Mikkelsen was sadly under-utilized.

    The plot line is essentially the same as The Avengers/Fantastic Four 2/X Men Apocalypse/etc. with a hint of Batman Begins. The only characters who really had any development at all were Dr. Strange and Mordo... there were some cheap laughs and some Crouching Tiger-esque action sequences, which I enjoyed, but I get a feeling that Marvel is starting to get a little bit lazy with these, as far as the plotlines and development of villain characters.

    I would have loved to have seen some character development of the villain, rather than the old trope of "he used to be a good guy, and was an excellent student, then he got too arrogant and turned evil" backstory (which was completely off screen, BTW).

    The special effects and choreography were A+, plot and character development B.
     
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    Welcome to your new life of comic book villainy. Choose your backstory:
    1. Cosmic entity who's evil is infinite through the course of time.
    2. Pupil of good guy who becomes disillusioned, rejects teachings and turns evil.
    3. Tragic villain who turned to evil in order to:
      • avenge a betrayal of some kind.
      • save someone they love.
    4. Criminal anarchist who is evil just for ....s and giggles.
    5. Amoral mercenary who only cares about lining bank account.
    6. Zealot with Knight Templar complex who must "purge all unworthiness" or somesuch.
    7. Sadomasochistic psychopath who holds the "higher principles of evil" as the ultimate ideal.
     
  5. Bloody_Inferno

    Bloody_Inferno Silence is Violence

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    This is the problem with every superhero origin story ever.

    And yes, MCU Marvel is the biggest offender of this when it comes to movies. I guess the trade off is that they're relying heavily on continuity of future films for the character to grow and interact. Of course that doesn't fix the problem that all origin stories have to be played in the same tune. One particular character in Doctor Strange is specifically set up this way for future films.

    Batman Begins is still the standard for origin story movies because it was done so well, and that so many superhero movies (Amazing Spiderman) and even non superhero movies (Casino Royale) have milked it dry. Fun fact: Batman Forever is the only film where Batman actually grows as a hero, but that doesn't make it a great film.

    Funny you mentioned X-Men Apocalypse, that was pretty much a retread of X2 all over again.

    I do agree that it is a problem, and that all origin superhero movies are all blurring to near singularity. And yeah, Mads Mikkelsen and Rachel McAdams were criminally underused. Some of the future MCU movies won't have that problem, in particular Spiderman Homecoming and Black Panther, largely thanks to Civil War.
     
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    I think the question these movie makers need to ask themselves is that if they don't have time for an origin story in a film, do they need to have one? We have gotten into a rut with mainstream films where producers seem to think that they need to spell everything out for the viewer, but why is that the rule? Phenomenal films like Memento and Reservoir Dogs, and even the Dark Night made every moment of the film mean something, and there was a lot put on the viewer to figure out, which made them enjoyable to watch multiple times. I think the style of film making of the 90's and early 2000's was better than what we generally have today, but there were also some awful films from that era as well...

    Hmph, I guess my issue is that I have started to expect more from superhero films, only to quickly have those expectations dashed. Dr. Strange wasn't a bad movie at all, but I got hyped up about it based on the combination of source material and the actors who were cast, then the film simply didn't take any risks.

    It's like when I see Nic Cage was cast in something, I expect it to be really weird. I guess I have begun to think of Mikkelsen as an actor who is in stuff that takes a lot of risks, then he was cast in Dr. Strange, and the film didn't take any risks, ended up being a good film (where I was expecting a weirder film)...thinking back to when I was in upper elementary school and jr. high school and read Dr. Strange comics and they kind of made me think, you know, as opposed to being straightforward stories - good guy struggles to develop skills as a good guy, bad guy is bad guy, explosions, boobs, different cities, etc.
     
  7. Bloody_Inferno

    Bloody_Inferno Silence is Violence

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    I see where you're coming from.

    In the superhero movie genre, some characters need an origin story. Doctor Strange by nature certainly does as he also has the weight of all the mystic side of the Marvel Universe to bring in. The movie did take the risk in the spectacle department, but not much else. Similar to the IMO underrated Thor film, both complete went for broke in introducing the cosmic/mystic side, but suffered in doing the same origin story song and dance routine.

    I suppose the way I see them is that it's a song that's allowed to be covered over and over again. Of course at least try to transcend it to a new level.

    For Doctor Strange, the movie could benefit from not trying to rush to the action and slow down for more mystic exposition (the training/knowledge scenes), and somehow weave Cassilius into that giving him more depth. Incidentally, this would actually benefit the Harry Potter movies as well.

    Bringing up Spiderman and Black Panther again, because they get an advantage here thanks to Civil War. At this time, MCU doing an origin movie for Spiderman would be the stupidest mistake they could make, and they're aware of that, so his introduction in that movie is a heads up that we don't need to kill Uncle Ben again. As for Black Panther, he gets his entire origin story as a subplot in Civil War, which makes me excited to finding out what his own solo movie is going to be.

    I do agree that the origin story pandemic is getting weary especially in an age of constant superhero movies (we got 6 this year from 3 studios, and Marvel are bringing 3 next year alone), but they're necessary when you're introducing someone completely new to the party (now it'll be Captain Marvel's turn). What the film studios can do is use that double edged sword called 'Continuity' in more creative ways, just like the Spiderman/Black Panther example, or at least give it a new twist.
     
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    I DUNNO, I get the exposition annoyance. I remember finding it absolutely hilarious watching Age of Ultron after Mad Max Fury Road. A lot of people confuse "amount of dialogue and complexity of plot contrivances that don't actual matter" for it having a good plot, though, so who knows. I still haven't seen this. From what I've heard, the thing that will bug me the most are the pop-culture references.
     
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    I just watched this movie and I though it was amazing. I didnt though I was going to enjoy it that much, I was pretty close to not even seeing it on the cinema as Im getting tired of the "superhero movies" marvel thing

    I have no idea whatsoever about this character, so no idea of backstory or accuracy of the story

    Also I think this has been one of (if not the first) mainstream movies I have watched without seen ANY clips/trailers/teaser/plot/images/anything. I tried to avoid watching anything related to it, and lucky I manage to not seen any trailers at the cinemas either. And I must say that was the best choice EVER... for the first time I could actually enjoy and be surprised during the whole movie, instead of connecting dots between the trailer scenes. And lucky I did it, as I saw the trailer after and it does ruin the movie
     
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    I liked this alot. Was quirky and did its job of not feeling like all the other MCU movies and allowed us to open up our minds to magic and sorcery and the supernatural etc within the MCU

    8/10
     

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