Dirt or no dirt on bass?

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  1. noUser01

    noUser01 Still can't play.

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    So do you guys put any overdrive or distortion on your bass when recording metal/prog metal kind of stuff? What about punk stuff? I plan to record all my bass through DI, so I thought I'd ask about when you guys use distortion, when you don't, and what you use to achieve it (pedals, amp, plugins etc.).

    Thanks!
     
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    JamesM The Armada

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    I use LeCto and Redwirez.
     
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    noUser01 Still can't play.

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    I'm on a Mac unfortunately so I can't use those plugins. Thanks though I'll look for similar plugins.
     
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    Scottckr Wololololo

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    noUser01 Still can't play.

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    Thanks so much! So you use this plugin with bass instead of guitar and it works alright?
     
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    Scottckr Wololololo

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    I actually just use CLA Bass which is magic by just applying it to the bass track, recently started putting "Decapitator" behind it which is a VERY aggressive distortion plugin :p
     
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    noUser01 Still can't play.

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    Cool, happen to have any mixes of it in action?
     
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    Scottckr Wololololo

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    well, yea I do, but they're from a mix I did for a buddy's band and they haven't released the songs yet, I could send a link in pm though
     
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    noUser01 Still can't play.

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    Sure man that'd be great! Thanks!

    What's a good impulse or cab sim to use with the LeCto plugin for Mac?
     
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    I use both, I have a main punchy bass track, then a distorted one underneath for grit, then bus them both to a multi band comp and EQ. :yesway:
     
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    Scottckr Wololololo

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    I've got no clue there, apparently LeCab isn't available for Mac :(
    I believe you could just download some impulse responses from wherever and use pace Designer(if you're using Logic) as a cab sim
     
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    Scottckr Wololololo

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    but bass sounds pretty good just lined, no cab needed
     
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    isispelican SS.org Regular

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    yes definitely add some dirt to it and never mix bass alone, because when played alone it can sound pretty bad where in the mix it could sound great
     
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    Personally I like a very clean bass sound, no dirt whatsoever. If it's a punk song I make it sound real bright and plucky, but the opposite for metal. I don't really like the sound of a distorted bass, and I feel like it fuzzes out the bottom end too much. Can't help you with the plug ins, though, since I don't really do it.
     
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    Ryan-ZenGtr- SS.org Regular

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    The distortion adds upper harmonics to bass guitars making the perceived volume louder.

    Go have a look at Sound on Sound magazine's website for more uses of distortion for powerful mixes, if your interested. They had a nice feature on the loudness wars recently.

    Blend a DI, mic'd cab (or sim) and FX track (dirt, chorus, subharmonic enhancer etc.) together and apply parallel compression.

    Monitors and room are important when judging how much bass to include in a mix. Try to mix on a system your audience may listen to and aim for a good sound on that. :(

    TSE (The Serena Experiment) offer a bass sansamp VSTi for free.

    http://www.theserinaexperiment.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=68

    A review
    TSE B.O.D, A Freeware Sansamp Bass Driver DI Emulation « Bedroom Producers Blog

    You can get a tubescreamer and ENGL 530 preamp for free there as well.
     
  16. FireInside

    FireInside THE. DEAD. SEASON.

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    ^ This is exactly how I do it as well.
     
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    Winspear Tom Winspear

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    Definitely best to only apply it to the high end. I've been reading the mixing book that was just posted here the other night and was pleased to read I am already using his bass distortion method with slightly different frequencies as a starter

    -Sending the bass to 3 different tracks
    -Clean signal, low passed around 250Hz
    -Slightly dirty signal, high passed around 500Hz and low passed around 5k
    -Distorted signal, also high passed around 500Hz and low passed around 5k

    That way you get none of the mess in the low end as that's covered by the clean

    I highly recommend picking up that book!
     
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    C2Aye has the groove.

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    I definitely like a bit of crunch in my bass tone, I think it really livens it up, especially when it's alongside heavy guitars. I use Guitar Rig 4 for my bass tone mainly because it's how I did it initially before using Lepou plugins and I liked it how it was so I didn't bother changing it.

    However, seeing how much work people put into their bass sound has me slightly worried. I mean, all I do is record it with my bass preset, slap a high pass and Stillwell Rocket Compressor on it and I'm done :ugh:
     
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    I really like that idea about keeping the lowest frequencies clean. Where the heck have I been? This is one of the many reasons I've never been the one to engineer anything my band or I have done, other than scratch tracks. :lol:
     
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    Winspear Tom Winspear

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    :lol: Try it sometime :) You're definitely right that distorted low frequencies sounds like ass!

    Worried? It should be us that are worried about your great results without putting any effort in :lol:
     

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