Curiosity seeks to annihilate itself.

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  1. failshredder

    failshredder hammer every cock

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    One of my favorite sites. Just "rediscovered" it, after a manner of speaking. These things are simple to understand and yet very, very hard to put into practice. Everyone thinks that "other people" are the ones who are guilty of bias.

    Twelve Virtues of Rationality

    Edit: I got the most amazing neg rep for this post. :lol:
     
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    Explorer He seldomly knows...

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    Oh. My. God.

    The Simple Truth

    This is one of the best illustrations of what happens when people get wrapped up in representational systems, and then insist that the descriptive power of said system can also be used to alter what is being represented. Magical thinking, definitively and irrevocably skewered.

    That was brilliant. Thanks for sharing.

    *laugh*
     
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    Explorer He seldomly knows...

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    Okay, I just read through the Bayes introduction, and it's brilliant.

    I'd rep you so long and hard that you'd have a hard time walking... but I can't rep you, due to having already thanked you for that initial post....

    *laugh*
     
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    Yeah, he's got some cool ideas. Also check out lesswrong.org for a lot of Bayesian rationalism and brain self-hacks and stuff. Lots of transhumanism/singularitarianism as well.
     
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    Randy Ooh, Degrasse Tyson-son Super Moderator

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    How did I know, as soon as I saw both of you rave about it, that it would be a wall of text? :rofl:

    I'll have to through it a little later. :wub:
     
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    Is there anything I can get out of this that I haven't already had from "Demon Haunted World?"
     
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    Haven't heard of it. Book?
     
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    Bahaha.
     
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    Carl Sagan's opus on critical thinking.

     
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    failshredder hammer every cock

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    Yeah, pretty much the same thing from a different angle. More specifics. :)
     
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    This was an awesome quick read.

    Maybe this will actually help me when my girlfriend asks me why I question and have to know "why" about everything. And why I argue using "facts" over "emotion". :lol:

    Thanks for this site. I'm going to eventually read through all of these.
     
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    This thread is chock full of win.

    I raise my glass to you gentlemen :cheers:
     
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    pink freud SS.org Regular

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    All that will ensure is that your sleeping on the couch will last longer :lol:
     
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    Scar Symmetry Ex Whiny Bitch

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    I question absolutely EVERYTHING presented to me. I do my best to explain to my girlfriend why I do this and I often make fun of myself for doing it. She understands that it's the way I am and because I don't make my ego a fortress, she doesn't see it as a threat :yesway:
     
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    This is exactly the sort of attitude you need to fight (not saying I don't do it too, it happens to EVERYONE).

    Here: http://wiki.lesswrong.co/wiki/Map_and_Territory_(sequence)

    Not to be a dick, guys, but it's really easy to read something like that and then pat yourself on the back for already "being like that," or develop a "patter" that includes statements of contrition for your own bias (I'm more prone to the latter, myself -- see?).
     
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    Scar Symmetry Ex Whiny Bitch

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    I'm just stating what seems to work for me now, I am fully open to new wisdom and will accept it at the earliest stage that I can :)

    ...or is this also a pat on the back? :lol:
     
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    ^
    :lol:

    The other horrible mistake is to take it too seriously.

    I doubt we have a problem with that one here. :cool:
     
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    Quite rly :coffee:
     
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    I think you mean to say we need to fight that attitude to adhere to this completely.

    I more meant it that I can use this to help explain myself than me getting mad because someone is telling me I'm "too logical". Because I get infuriated. I start being mean and biased when someone shows me the same wall of stubborn bullshit.

    Trust me, I understand. It's just hard to fight that good feeling when you can finally relate something to yourself like that. Pride takes over a little, like you said. I think it's okay to an extent. I'd be lying if I didn't read it and go "FINALLY someone who GETS what I've been trying to say!"


    While I admire all of these points, I find it hard to not have feelings about a topic before I finish processing them. I think it's natural. I usually come back down to reality after getting heated. It's hard to block out emotion when you are overrun with rage. I easily get heated when someone makes a claim and has no reason whatsoever other than "because that's what I think". Then I'm just mean. It's not right, but at least I know I'm doing it.



    You're right, but I don't think anyone has it in them to be perfect logic machines.


    And no, we don't take ourselves too seriously here. But it makes me feel good that a thread like this exists and we can still make dick jokes. :rofl:


    EDIT:
    Also, your link is broken. Needs to be ".com" :yesway:
     
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    Now *that* was funny. Am I really so long-winded?

    Oh, *that's* right... my long-winded posts have been commented on before. *laugh*

    I don't know if the following, from the same site but presented in friendly cartoon fashion, is any more readable, but it was funny to see a formal proof expressed in cartoon form. This compares favorably to the interesting explorations of formal systems of "Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid" on any day.

    http://yudkowsky.net/rational/lobs-theorem

    And, with that said, "GEB: an EGB" is another exploration of emergent systems with regard to consciousness, so it shouldn't surprise me to see similarities between that book and the writings on this website.

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    Lastly, let me express surprise that I would never have expected to be talking about formal and emergent systems on SS.org. Will surprises never cease? *laugh*
     

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