Ch-ibanez Iceman to Ice-maiden Strip/mod

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  1. Omzig

    Omzig SS.org Regular

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    So a few years ago i picked up this Floyd equipped Iceman copy (it's totally unbranded and was never sold as an ibanez,and all in all it's a pretty nice guitar,mahogany body ebony FB with MOP inlays (all well cut and fitted) Bound cnc cut body,Maple neck (nice not to fat to thin profile) and so so hardware...bad bits...hack ass cavity routing and poor paint job/clear

    So as this was sitting in a case getting no play i thought id have at it while i await for some parts to arrive for other stuff im working on


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    First thing is all the clear and paint has to come off this as its going to have a satin white re finished with and iridescent finger nail glitter mixed/suspended in the clear coat (that's to LiveOVErdrive for the glitter inspiration)

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    & As i have a thing for HS layouts atm (of HH with a single sized H rail in the neck position) ive blocked and filled the pup cavity's so i can re-route them as direct mounts


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    I got a few floyd's kicking about the place (a 3000 model,some copies,a ping and a edge III) so i might just be able to clean up the floyd route without having to fill re-route it,need to check what fits (once i find the box with them in lol) im also going to add an small edge bevel to the bodies rear,not sure if i should keep or paint over the binding yet.....

    updates once i do more stuff ;)

    Cheers
    Steve
     
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    LiveOVErdrive CNC hack

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    Sweet. Just FYI it takes a LOT of clear coat to get a level surface on top of glitter. Smaller flecks will probably help.
     
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    tagged for interest
     
  4. Omzig

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    thanks for the info :) The above image makes this glitter look massive infact the large snowflakes are only about 3-4 mm

    I'll be having a play with thinning the epoxy with different carriers,im pretty sure the 90% acetone i have will eat the gliitter well before it evaporates so i have a bottle of 99% Isopropyl Alcohol coming that shouldn't be so aggressive (if any one has any other suggestions for a thinner/carrier please speak up)

    the other 2 glitters i have to play with are


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    Which are even finer that the first,got a lot of prep to do but i think this should be a pretty cool effect over the white finish,plan is grain fill with thinned epoxy (this is why the original finish wa..so bad no grain filler) - satin white x2 coats - thinned clear epoxy coat - glitter/thinned epoxy coats x 2 - clear thinned epoxy top coats.
     
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    I've always wanted an Iceman. I'm curious to see this progress!
     
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    Curious to see how this turns out. I like the idea
     
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    Interested to see how this turns out as well. Cool idea!
     
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    I wouldn't thin the epoxy at all. Brush it on thick and let it do its thing. Assuming you get the stuff that's made for flowing a clear coat.

    Oh man if I've learned one thing about the stuff though it is that you need to carefully follow the mixing instructions EXACTLY. If you don't, it will never harden and always be sticky. And then you can't even sand it off because the sandpaper will just stick to it and gum up immediately. Ruined my latest guitar body that way :(
     
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    KnightBrolaire despair ahead

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    noooo not the explorer
     
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    Wow sorry to hear it's gone a bit tits up with the epoxy :( Ive read about such problems while researching and it seems ppl have managed to get sticky finishes to cure by excluding air,either by lightly wrapping in plastic wrap/clingfilm or covering with a coat of wax,if you still have the body kicking about it's worth giving that a try for a few days Good luck
     
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    Hey guys

    So a mate asked me about the scale of this glitter so i thought id also post out a ref pic here

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    Epoxy has arrived so i'll try and get a few test pieces do with each glitter before i go full scale,results/pics when i have them.
     
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    ^Cool... I have a pack a little bit like that for my old Cort which I'm turning into a glittering baby blue workhorse. I will be watching this with great interest. :yesway:
     
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    So totally forgot about this thread till i just found it on google images lol ;)

    So atm i have this stripped/pups filled and route for H/S,trem routes tided up,grain filled and base/top coated in gloss white

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    So she's a bit of a blank canvas,i gave the glitter a bit of a test by tipping out a little to see how it scaled and im thinking atm that the larger flakes are a little to (paul stanley) obvious

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    Im going to dig out some mesh and try filtering out the largest particles out from both packs and combining the sliver/blue dust that's left from both into a much finer glitter,and if that doesn't pan out i have some sparkling red that's going on it ! :)
     
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    fyi, mixing the glitter with shellac works quite well. especially if you can spray it on (which is how the pros do sparkles- they put the sparkles in the poly/nitro or whatever). I just brush it on.
     
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    I only have a hobby spray setup (i used to build and spray anime resin kits) i don't think my brush nozzles will take the glitter particles without blocking,so i was going to solar rez epoxy the body and then use a large makeup brush to pick up the glitter and tap it out from a height to get some randomness in the spread,then cure that off and add a 2nd solar rez for leveling/buffing out...we'll see how it goes,either way its glitter sparkle or spray can red sparkle ;)
     
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    i was not a big fan of any of the glitter spray cans I've tried so far. I got better results from spraying the body with spray adhesive and dusting the glitter on, and the best results from mixing the glitter with shellac and brushing it. That red destroyer I was working on in my thread was done with shellac/glitter.
     
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    Just checked out your pics,didn't spot them first time i checked through (my ad blocker doesn't like IG) Dam that's a lot of sparkle (very wiz of oz red shoes vibe),the Canbrush sparkle i have is pretty good stuff,Ive refinished 3 guitars using it and it goes on almost dry to the touch and covers very well

    I filtered out the largest particles from both glitter types so im left with some fine & very fine,i think i'll kick up a test over white with each/both before i decide which to use (or not use)

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    My big problem with the glitter cans I used was that they'd spray inconsistently instead of giving a nice even coating, so you'd end up with lumpy globs in spots.
    best of luck with the glitter, I was finding glitter everywhere for months when I first started messing with it. :lol:
     
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  19. Neven

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    Just a quick idea that crossed my mind - you could try using some cheap salt dispenser, perhaps add a few more holes or enlarge existing ones if needed... You wouldn't have to hand pick the large particles out, they would stay in the bottle. So the precedure would be, shoot a wet layer of clear, and shake the glitter where wanted, it would stick to lacquer without problem. And after continue with lacquer/sanding just like you usually do.

    I once used glitter, I mixed it with clear and used a 2mm nozzle on my spray gun, but as said, at least in my case, glitter sunk to bottom of the gun feeder, so it coudln't spray evenly, I had to shake the gun constantly. IIRC, i still had to add some more just using fingers like when you add salt to your food by hand. I believe it's worth to try a dispenser.
     
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    Should probably call it the snowman.
     
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