Can you shave a hell raiser neck

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  1. Two Panthers

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    if you take a c8 hellrIser, with the fat Schecter profile....
    Can you shave it down to a thinner SLS type, or at least from the baseball bat C shape to a D if not U?how do you know how far a repair guy can shave it ?
     
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    You can make an educated guess as to where the truss rod is, and take a little material off.

    That said, the more you shave the neck the more you risk creating more issues.
     
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    You could probably make it a mm thinner by sanding down the paint.
     
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    Definitely want to sand the paint off
    For this , what sand paper should I use?
    an someone recommend a tutorial for that? If needed

    And max, what do you mean? Like what other problems would arise?
    Thx
     
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    Anytime you're removing material from a structural element you risk it losing strength. When it comes to the neck that can mean that the neck either becomes more prone to moving due to climate or it can move in a way that the truss rod can't adjust, such as warping. Not mention working the neck with sandpaper or tools will create heat and vibration, which aren't ideal.

    You also need to watch out for the truss rod channel. If you remove too much material between the rod and the outer surface of the neck you can risk having a breach by the truss rod when adjusting relief.

    It's not impossible to reshape necks. I've done it on many guitars. You just need to understand all the factors involved and realize you can be risking the viability of the whole instrument.
     
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    With that in mind, and considering my obvious ability level, how do you think I should proceed?

    Can you recommend which paper /sanding tool for the safer/accurate job? And any tutorials you might suggest max would be nice

    Thx
     
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    Planning is key. You're going to have to figure out approximately where truss rod sits, then go slow.

    The first thing to do is strip the finish. Given the binding on the Hellraiser models, I'd stay away from chemical options and sand. It's going to be a long process, but there's less risk.

    Once the finish is uniformly removed, evaluate. How much do you want to remove? Measure thickness along the neck with caliper and set a goal.

    Use coarse grit, from 100 to 150 for the heavy lifting, the removal of finish. Once you get to wood use the 150 and slowly transition up to 250 grit as you near your goal thickness.

    Then you'll have to consider what you want to use to refinish the neck.
     
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    Thanks so much man
    I’m going to Lowe’s on way home
     
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    Let me throw this out as a suggestion. Have you consider selling it and buy something you like better? Once you shave it and or sand it, its going to lose value, and make it much harder to sell if you decide down the road you still don't like it. I am all for doing and learning stuff like this. You seem like your not too familiar with doing stuff like this so,is this guitar you want to risk learning on? You could end up with a guitar worth less and still not happy with the end results.
     
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    You’re correct in that I’m not completely happy with my entry into the 8 string world

    I LOVE EVERYTHING BUT the neck :(

    Most Important part, like I did my research on this forum reallllly extensively before my choice because I hadda way all the options

    This was the only guitar with
    -8 string Ofr
    - active pup
    - 28” neck
    - neck thru body
    - under $1000

    So I loved the specs, features, and all else but the neck turned out to be TOO bulky..didn’t thinj it would be so bad,or I would adjust but it’s not like a 7620 to 2228....its just partially the paint and also the profile

    Unless you think you might have a suggestion or tip , like another’s brand or model I might like more, and what should I sell it for?

    Thanks
     
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    You should probably just buy a different guitar. :)
     
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    Also, it is better to install a Floyd Rose on the body than to shave the neck. :)
     
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    I checked and I couldn’t find another model with a 28”neck OR a pre installed Floyd

    Any suggestions on a brand or model like Ibanez or esp

    Money is an issue so I don’t want to spend over $1500
     
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    if you like the guitar then just take it easy when sanding. go slowly and constantly reevaluate the profile/thickness with your hand/calipers. No reason to sell the guitar if you like it.
     
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    What about Kahlers? :)
     
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    You spelled crap wrong man.
     
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    You can, but but you might want to wait until he falls asleep and use very quiet clippers so as not to wake him up. :p

    I usually side with @MaxOfMetal , because he knows his stuff. In this case, though, I say go ahead and give it a try, but just be responsibly careful and have a plan.

    How much material do you want to remove? Are you going to refinish the neck? (Yes) If so (yes), with what? Make sure any paint you use is compatible with the wood and the other paints. If you don't want to refinish, keep in mind that necks always at least have a satin finish, so you will want to refinish, even if you don't think that you do, probably. :lol:

    Also, I've always found that practicing something like this on a cheaper piece is helpful, as long as you don't get overconfident. If you can successfully shave down the neck of a cheap guitar without causing any structural problems, you'll have a 40% better chance of not screwing up your nice guitar. Keep in mind, though, that every guitar is different.
     
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  18. Two Panthers

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    He Said it lol ^
     
  19. Two Panthers

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    No man, I was more into the natural wood after shaving
    So it makes that easier at least
     
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    Buy a guitar that you like the neck profile of.
     

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