Big Wide Nuts for Bass Player to Finger

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  1. TheEmptyCell

    TheEmptyCell Dingwall Player

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    I’m a bass player. I like playing guitar but I’m not great. I get along better with the necks on acoustic and classical guitars because my fingers are used to wide 5 string basses.

    I’m looking for an electric six string with a wider-than-average nut.

    I’ve thought about ordering a Warmoth Superwide neck, 1 7/8” at the nut, and slapping it on a loaded Fender/Squier/whatever body.

    But are there any production model guitars with similarly wide necks that cost in the realm of $500? I don’t mind neck profile so much, just that I need wider string spacing.
     
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  2. MaxOfMetal

    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    Maybe grab a 7 (or 8 if you need crazy space) off of Rondo and install a 6-string bridge and nut?
     
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    2015 Gibsons had a ridiculous nut width.
     
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    xzyryabx SS.org Regular

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    Not sure if hilarious title was on purpose but oh god I'm trying so hard not to post the most childish response ever to this thread....
     
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    I'm in a similar position.
    Even accounting for me being more used to playing basses, the string spacing of guitars just seems impractically narrow, when playing chords it's often difficult to fret a note without damping an adjacent string.
    Chords on a bass are easier in a way because you can rotate your hand and fingers more to play more shapes, and play more extreme shapes without damping adjacent strings.
    Classical guitars seem to have a more practical spacing meant for technical playing, so common spacing seems to be intetntionally narrow and a more folk/amateur/strumming/barre-chord/non-technical approach.
    It's not as if a 6 string guitar has a wide neck, it's tiny in the hands of most.
     
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    FitRocker33 My tone is tighter than my hamstrings

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    Dude you beat me to this....i was snickering like beavis when i saw the title lmao...
     
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    Innuendo was absolutely intentional.
     
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    Soya Poor person

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    Probably should just practice more :shrug:
     
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    I remember seeing some guy on eBay a few years back. He converted a 7 string guitar into a 6 string guitar for the same reason. But everybody thought he was a joke and made fun of him for it.

    I'm sure that would work for big Andre the Giant type guys.
     
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    I think some George Lynch models have wide necks and nuts.
     
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    your answers is here:
    sorry if it sounds harsh, but its the true. Me like you guys am a bass player at first, since I was 15. Started noodling with guitar at 22, didnt really get any decent till quite a few years later. Even now at 35, I still struggle on the coordination department, as I always played bass with my fingers. And never fully sit down and "practice" guitar, so I missed on the sponge years of teens, when most ppl soak information easily and grow exponentially as they are fully committed to the instrument and have the time to do so.

    I can play a lot of stuff on guitar, but never to the same level of tecnicality of a bass. My left hand is kinda there but my right hand is not.

    bottom line, yup it would take time to adapt, to learn how to press down chords so you dont hit the other strings, and to mute the other strings, to get used to a narrow spacing and scale, and to small strings.

    so yup, practice.... every guitar player has been in your position, and dont worry, the day they decide to take up on bass, they would struggle too ;)
     
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    Thing about this sort of thing is that you can, of course, convert a 7-string neck into a rather wide spaced 6-string one provided you get the bridge to match. It's worth mentioning, however, that there's a tradeoff here unless you're going to be a diehard fingerpicker who isn't really tacking the good old stretched out chord (unless you have humongous hands, that is), and that is the distance between strings leading to far longer travel for string crossing when using a pick, and that in turn will make you sacrifice speed, efficiency, and build a fair bit more fatigue as you practice.

    I faced a similar dilemma when tackling the bass for the first time, and considering my shot 4th finger and small hands the temptation was certainly there, yet when fumbling about to see how that would work, it was actually far worse than sucking it up and getting some practice on the normal thing: from insufficient clearance to get my fingers to pick or pluck properly to a very contrived feel on the left hand, while the initial idea and impression was that it would be a simple transition, it was actually undermined by a bunch of compromises and I'd have to train to get around them while becoming dependent on a very specific thing, so I said "fuck it!" and invested said practice on the actual thing.
     
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    The biggest neck I ever had was on my old Schecter Blackjack ATX. Pretty sure they're not exactly narrow either.
     
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    PRS wide-flat profile
     
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    Rondo makes guitars with 1 7/8 neck width. I believe they have some in stock currently.

    But also, practice. I go back and forth between guitars and basses all the time without issue. Unless you have abnormally large fingers this shouldn't be an issue with a little practice.
     
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    What i'm saying is, even taking practice into account, common guitar string spacing at the nut end is narrow for a guitar, this is a fact proven by the fact that classical guitars, which are designed for technical playing, have much wider string spacing at the nut end.

    I'm not suggesting spacing should be wider at the bridge, so there will be no sacrifice of picking speed or less smoothness of multi-string strums. I'm suggesting strings being more parallel or possibly parallel.

    A narrow spacing means you have to contort your hand and fingers into more extreme positions to avoid touching adjacent strings, so wider spacing is more comfortable, more ergonomic and healthier.

    Electric guitars have, unfortunately, evolved from folk guitars instead of classical guitars, so the string spacing is probably intended for more basic non-technical playing, and intended for amateurs with, on average, smaller hands and worse technique (thumb-over) that makes a wide neck more difficult to play.

    I often consider removing the lowest string from a guitar, leaving the bridge unchanged, and using a new nut, this widens the spacing at the nut but not at the bridge, and is a very easy conversion.
     
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    I know this is an over-the-line statement, but you have some shitty and nonsensical opinions.
     
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    BigViolin my vibrato is older than you

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    Maybe you need to learn the difference between "I disagree" and "shitty and nonsensical". There's a grand canyon there. None of his statements are either.

    You got the over-the-line part right though.
     
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    I saw a guy on youtube do that because he was trained on classical guitar, and wanted to play electric in that style. It was all fun and games until he started playing and belted out a total knockout 10/10 clean guitar track. I was literally getting ready to make fun of him for doing what he did, but then he played his instrumental and it just blew me the fuck away.

    I remember the ebay conversion though, that was terrible. This guy actually did a pretty good job with his.
     
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    Lul K, proclaiming all electric guitars aren't technical-playing friendly and not as healthy as classical guitars, yeah think more than just myself would 'disagree' with that.
     
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