Bend vibrato vs slide vibrato

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Bend vs slide vibrato?

  1. Bend vibrato

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  2. Slide vibrato

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  3. Both/depends on context

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  1. Spaced Out Ace

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    Which do you prefer and why? These may not be the correct terms, but what I mean by bend vibrato is wiggling the string up and down to produce a vibrato, which is how most people achieve this effect. Slide vibrato is a quick slide up and down multiple times, which is the kind that George Lynch mostly uses. Also, if there are more correct or common terms for these types of vibrato, feel free to let me know.
     
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    JohnnyZ "Don't criticize what you can't understand."

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    It depends, to be honest.. I like the wild George Lynch vibrato, but I never worked on it, that's why I can't get it to sounds right and feels natural for me. Most of the time I use a "classical Guitar" (left to right) Vibrato. Of course, when I'm string bending, I'll use the "normal bend-vibrator". ;)
     
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    I also use the more classical guitar style of vibrato. I basically fret the note, pluck it and then wiggle the note slightly left/right to get the effect. It's also how violinists and guys like yngwie, eric johnson and some others do it. Never paid too much attention to george lynch's way of doing it so I'll have to see if it's substantially different.
     
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    There might be option #3: Finger pressure vibrato.
    Altering the pitch by pulsing the pressure of the fretting finger. Especially with jumbo frets.
    But I don't know if that is a thing. Nerver heard of anybody using it.
     
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    I believe Vai uses vibrato where he's moving his fretting finger in a circular motion... Up/down and left/right at the same time. Seems like not a lot of people do this... but it's another option.
     
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    George does normal vibrato as well, but he also does this weird thing where he'll slide up and down like 5 or so times really fast. It seems like it's one fret for shallow vibrato and two frets for wider vibrato.
     
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    I prefer the bend vibrato (using the wrist) cos I like that really rich and wide vibrato sound that Uli, Malmsteen and Michael Romeo use.

    The classical style of vibrato is cool because you can adjust the pitch either up/down from the fretted note, whereas the standard bend vibrato only goes above the fretted note. When Vai does his circular motion he's using both the classical vibrato (and and forth) AND the bending style vibrato at once for extra juice.
     
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    Chris Poland mentions this somewhere, there are a few lengthy interviews on youtube so it's probably one of those but I don't remember which.
     
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    At that point it seems more like executing a trill using a sliding technique than a vibrato.
     
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    He does it for wider, fast vibrato.
     
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    I understand what you're saying, but shifting from one note directly into the next is not vibrato, it's a trill. A vibrato will be a smooth increase/decrease in pitch including all the "in between" pitches.

    I would classify the technique you describe as an unusual way to play a trill (e.g., sliding back and forth between the notes rather than hammering/pulling off between them). But it is not surprising that George Lynch does this, as he is quite fond of sliding.
     
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    Okay, cool.
     
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    The thing with Yngwie, of course, is on a heavily scalloped board, that sort of vibrato will be WAY more pronounced than it would on a neck with even just jumbo frets.

    Also, the times I've seen Lynch play, he's had his bar palmed a fair amount of the time and used that for pitch accents and vibratos - it's a big part of the "slurred" quality I've always loved about his playing, I think.
     
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    Another Classical Vibrato user. I also tend to use more than one finger on the string when I can. It has more of a noticeable affect with nylon strings, but the extra finger friction helps even on steel strings.
     
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    Two completely different techniques.

    There's also many different forms of actual vibrato. Speed, trajectory, width, timing of vibrato (at top, on the way up or down, in place, multiple strings, muscles used, one finger only vs grip, etc) Greg Koch has a great lesson about this.

    Here's a few of the best ever... and you'll see where everyone from EVH, Lynch, Zakk Wylde to Brad Paisely all get their techniques from.

    Roy Buchanan (back and forth, crazy steps, one of the best ever)
    Albert King (1st finger)
    BB King and Peter Green (Bend then slow/wide)
    Eric Clapton (1 finger only, no thumb on neck)
    Django (fast and usually unbent)
    Danny Kirwan (fast up like Django and Lonnie Johnson)
    SRV (similar to Clapton but more frantic)
    Hendrix, Elmore James, and Curtis Mayfield (see vid)
    Otis Rush (sweet)
    Paul Kosoff (super fast)






    ^ the last is 8:42 of some of the very BEST guitar playing ever recorded, too bad the cameraman sucks...
     
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    prlgmnr ...that kind of idea

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    Bloody hell that Roy Buchanan clip is a lesson for sure.

    lol just as I say this he goes for his pint and keeps playing
     
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    USMarine75 Doc McStuffins Contributor

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    If Roy isn't the best guitarist ever, he is surely tied with whoever is! :agreed:

    This lesson blew my mind... holy cats!


    I'm a HUGE Danny Gatton guy, who was inspired by and friends with Roy:

    ^You should watch the WHOLE thing (the sax/piano player is just as talented btw), but 22:00 in is just awesome lol. And the real craziness is at 23:45.
     
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    prlgmnr ...that kind of idea

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    I'm glad I just ordered a Tele...
     
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    prlgmnr ...that kind of idea

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    and I've already got beers and a towel so that's covered
     
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    Roy Buchanan = The Telemaster lol

    Also... some other ridiculous tele players:


    ^ Check out Biff Parsons



    ^ Almost as good as Biff


    ^ Underrated as hell


    ^ This version isn't on Teles (Jerry usually played a Tele), but it's my fav! And you get to see Chet Atkins do sweep arpeggios in 1975. Hey, Waterboy!

    So many more, but this is a great start!
     
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