An Even More Inconvenient Truth

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  1. Kevan

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    This showed up on one of the other forums I regularly visit. I thought some here would enjoy the read. :)

     
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    I see that whoever wrote that story didn't mention the fact that Gore tried to install solar panels when he bought the house but the zoning commission said no.

    http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070320/gore_solar_panels.html?.v=1

    As for the high energy bills, the house was built in the early 20th century.
     
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    Yeah, it's true, up tot he point it goes to, but it's also presented with a lot of spin. Gore buys - and pays more for - "green" energy, and buys carbon offsets, like he suggests in public. There's a thread about it here somewhere.

    Gore's not perfect, obviously, but this smear campaign demonstrates one of the big issues in general in the US right now - distract from the real issue (possible human causes of global warming) to play political games.
     
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    I, for one, am fucking sick of the email stream I am inundated with bashing Hillary and other Democrats. There is no way to stop the slander, as the source remains anonymous. I believe NONE of it! :mad:
     
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    Gore is also undergoing a massive retrofit of his mansion.
     
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    http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23009

    You're a few weeks behind the times, Kevan. ;)

    Gore is paying significantly more than your average american for electricity, true. He's also heating a house that is significantly larger than your average American's, and paying an upcharge of approximately 50% for "green" energy from renewable sources. And, as Darren pointed out, he's currently in the process of renovating his house, something that this story curiously forgets to mention.

    Scopes calling it "true" is, well, suspect at best. It's "true," it's just spun to the point where it's barely recognizeable.

    It's also obvious for what it is - an attempt to discredit the entire anti-global-warming movement by going after one of its' spokesmen. ;)
     
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    John Edward's new house is supposed to be really efficent, too. He said on CNN a few weeks ago, that even though its a 102 room mansion, it only cost a few hundred dollars a month for an electric bill. Which is pretty cool.
     
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    Yeah they mentioned this on the news a few weeks ago. Anyone with common sense can see that this is just a stupid smear campaign though.
     
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    You do realize that "anyone with common sense" is a very small and dwindling segment of the world's current population...
     
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    ....Because we're not teaching "common sense" anymore - we're teaching "believe what the TV tells you", but that's another thread...
     
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    Let's pretend for a minute that Gore is burning coal in his back yard to power a mansion completely devoid off insulation. So. Fucking. What.

    Are we going to completely ignore the problem, because one guy isn't as green as he ought to be? Let's just ignore all the evidence because one guy is a hypocrite. That's like a doctor telling you to eat right after your heart attack, and you ignore him because he had a hamburger for lunch. Give me a fucking break. :noway:
     
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    I wasn't talking about the movie; just using it's title for my title.

    Or it was posted before the renovations began.
    Also, he could have simply bought a different (more 'green') house in the first place.

    The site is sNopes. :)
    I would hardly call Snopes "suspect", in any regard.

    Oh, I think they do a fine job all by themselves.
    http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/flying/assets/travoltas_house.jpg
     
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    :lol: Jump to about page three or so of that thread, Kevan - this is posted and then pretty thoroughly rebuked.
     
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    I thought you were referring to the title of that thread (the movie). I didn't read the other thread. Sorry if this is a re-post.

    Yeah, but I skipped over that to get to the part where he's one of the more out-spoken eco-warriors.
     
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    Kevan, he's a *Scientologist*. He shouldn't be a spokesperson for ANYTHING.

    Sorry if the are any L. Ron disciples here, but...
     
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    Heh heh. Point.
     
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    He's just a nutjob, so I've been ignoring him, Kevan. :lol:

    On Snopes, technically, everything you present above is correct, which is the extent they're certifying it. However, let's drill down a little.


    1.) This is actually a slight stretch. My recollection is this statement was derrived on the original report from the fact that Gore's energy bill per month is about what your average American pays in an entire year. It seems pretty reasonable to decude he USES as much energy per month as most americans do a year, but remember, he's paying a 50% premium for "green" energy. It also fails to account for the fact that he's heating a house probably 5x larger based solely on number of rooms (probably even greater if you measured floor square footage or cubic interior space) than the average American, so that what we're seeing here is not a true apples-to-apples comparison. More telling would be energy use, by kilawatt, for a comparably-sized mansion with a pool, guest house, and pool house, or even better a comparison per square foot of floorspace per watt. Again, his energy bill IS monthly what most people pay a year, but that totally misses most of the big picture.

    2.) See #1 - energy useage was being computed based on dollars spent, not actually energy.

    3.) Again, this fails to account for the larger size of his house relative to the average american household, and I'd be curious to see if this figure is "natural gas useage average across the nation" or "natural gas useage average of all households who use natural gas for heating as well as cooking." Also, it neglects to mention that he's in the process, as of the date the report was written, of renovating his house to rely less on non-renewable resources. And, check me if I'm wrong, Gore hasn't even owned this house this wrong, correct?

    4.) True, but it also neglects the fact that your average New Englander's air conditioning bill is a LOT less than your average southerner. You don't think they're having all those blackouts in southern Cali because they're overheating their places, do you? ;)

    I mean, everything presented there is true, Kevan, but it's not placed in an appropriate context, so it's meaningless.

    Bush's environmentally-friendly design aspects of his house are one of the few things I have any respect for him on, though I fail to se ehow the "local fauna" saves fossil fuels. I agree, though, Kevan - any man who can live in a house like that and then refuse to legislate greenhouse gas emission caps and pass things like the "Clear Skies Act" while pocketing campaign donations from Big Oil is a total hypicrite. ;)




    EDIT - the article this information was drawn from, published by a conservative think-tank with strong GOP ties: http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=367
    EDIT - maybe I'm rremembering incorrectly with the fact most of the analysis was drawn based upon the dollar amount of his energy bills, and not KW useage. The other alternative is the TCPR people "updated" their paper, and I'm not sure which I trust less, right wing spin or my bad memory. :lol:
     
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