470$ to spend - 1x12 or 2x12 cab?

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  1. johnniz

    johnniz SS.org Regular

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    Hi.

    I am moving into a much smaller apartment and sold my old 4x12 cab.

    I`m looking for a smaller but good sounding cab that will be used for "bedroom" playing 90% of the time, and on rare occasions playing small gigs in bars and small venues.

    I am torn between a "better" 1x12 cab or a cheaper 2x12 cab. I realize that the 2x12 is not that much smaller than the 4x12 I had, but it is much lighter. I am going to play through a small lunch box amp like the EVH LBX 15w and would really like some thick bottom end. I understand that this will be easier to achieve through a 2x12 cab than the 1x12. However I`ve also noticed that it is a fairly big difference in sound and frequency response between cab models and manufacturers.

    With 470$ to spend or 400 euro in my case, would you buy something like an
    Engl E112VB with a single v30 and a fairly good quality cab or something like a Palmer 2x12 with V30s?

    I mainly (try) to play stuff like Dream theater, Periphery, Jason Richardson, Monuments...yeah Djent to prog metal basically.

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. cGoEcYk

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    Smaller cabs like 1x12 can definitely help control volume levels if that is an issue. Aside from compactness that would be my main reason for getting one.

    For a while I owned a 15w Dark Terror and used it with a Mesa Recto 2x12. It was a great sounding set up (but the cab heavy af) and loud enough for rock music with a drummer, etc. After some gear shuffling my guitarist ended up with my DT and used it through a 1x12 with a Wizard and it cut through fine on stage and practice. Genre rock/alternative, not br00ts.

    If you want thick bottom end (thicker than V30) I would recommend G12K or Eminence Legend V1216. For a while I loaded a 2x12 with V30+G12K and it was killer, especially at higher volume levels when the V30 starts breaking up.

    A quality 2x12 with power behind it should be loud enough for most realistic situations. 1x12 will have its limits.

    I owned the ENGL v30 pro cab for a while and thought it was very aggressive but voice with an almost overly tight/"controlable" low end.
     
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  3. DudeManBrother

    DudeManBrother Blames it on "the rain"

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    I have played through only a couple 1x12 cabs that I found really sound great. I have found many get kind of boxy and sterile sounding. It's typically ( I think) from trying to build a compact cabinet. The ones that sound best to me are usually housed in a cab that's probably big enough for two 12" speakers, or damn close. I'd bet the Engl could do it, but I don't have experience with their small cabs. A 2X12 can give you so much more volume vs a 1x12 when you need it; they typically sound better in direct A/B comparisons when you're in the room with each. You can also utilize stereo effects which makes a huge difference on delays especially. A 2x12 also gives you the opportunity to combine speakers. A V30 is incredible for cutting in a mix with its mid hump, but depending on cab construction, can sound a little harsh at times. If you had something like a GT65, GT75, or GT100 you can get a nice balance in the room and way more dynamic options for mic placement and available tones for recording and live performances.
    TL;DR I vote 2x12
     
  4. rifftrauma

    rifftrauma Trapped in time...

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    So I recently sold off both my 2x12's for a Mesa 1x12 and regret nothing. I still run my 2/50/2 and Axe FX through it, sounds pretty damn good to me. I'd see if you could find one in a local music shop to try. One of the better piece of gear I've purchased in a long time.

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MiniRectCabA
     
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    Wizard of Ozz Arch-Mage of Metal

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    I'd go for the Engl Pro 2X12 with V30s.
     
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    Yeah, I would love to go with the Engl pro 2x12 but that would be closer to 750$ and that would be too expensive I`m afraid. When checking out Thomann.de its seems to me that its either going to be an Engl Pro 1x12 or maybe an Orange 1x12 vs a cheaper Palmer 2x12 with v30`s or maybe something like a Blackstar HTV-212
     
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    I love mixing speakers too much to get a 1x12. I would get an Avatar 2x12 or a used Mesa 2x12
     
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    For small (bars etc) and medium gigs (mic is needed) a good sounding 1x12 (with wide sound projection) is what I think it's best. I've been using myself a Custom Audio Cube (identical to a Bogner 1x12 cube) for years live and at home. Where more power is needed I obviously bring with me a 4x12, which is more suited (and 99% of the times available as backline).

    My suggestion is: 2x12s are really too much for me at home/small apartments while 1x12s can still be used live under certain circumstances. 1x12 + 4x12 is the best combination!
     
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    I'd go for the Engl 1X12 Pro then.
     
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    Varying preferences on here, but personally i would always go for a 2x12, or two 1x12's (my current setup) over just 1 speaker. The sound is much richer to me.

    You could always get the more expensive 1x12 now and then grab another one (or a cheaper 1x12 with a good speaker) later so you get the benefits of a quality cab you want now, but the sound benefits of 2 speakers eventually.

    Plus, a two 1x12's stack is great for local gigging where you are often crammed onto a stage and stage volume is usually an issue.
     

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