28' Scale Baritone?

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  1. Tortellini

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    I've been looking at different ERG guitars and the Ibanez RGIB6 keeps coming under my radar. It would be awhile before I have the money to buy such a guitar, but I'm just curious.. What is a 28 baritone like in Drop A? From the videos I've watched, it sounds remarkably clear, but is 28 too much scale for tuning that high? I assume Drop B would be completely impossible and B standard would be pushing it. (Probably would have to use a long scale 8-42 set..)
    Let me know your thoughts on 28 baritones!
     
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    steinmetzify CHUG & SLUDGE

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    Had that guitar. Had it in drop F, drop B, open B and drop A.

    You won't have any issues.
     
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    Very little is impossible with the correct string gauges.

    strat in E standard with tens for reference:
    len 25.5
    E4 .010 dapl == 16.21#
    B3 .013 dapl == 15.38#
    G3 .017 dapl == 16.57#
    D3 .026 danw == 18.41#
    A2 .036 danw == 19.54#
    E2 .046 danw == 17.48#

    28" baritone in drop B:

    C4# .011 dapl == 16.73#
    G3# .014 dapl == 15.21#
    E3 .018 dapl == 15.84#
    B2 .028 danw == 18.16#
    F2# .038 danw == 18.4#
    B1 .056 danw == 17.83#

    28" in B standard/drop A:
    B3 .012 dapl == 15.8#
    F3# .016 dapl == 15.77#
    D3 .024 danw == 19.01#
    A2 .032 danw == 19.02#
    E2 .044 danw == 19.41#
    B1 .056 danw == 17.83#
    or for A1
    A1 .062 danw == 17.37#

    I just showed the set of tens in E to show what standard tensions looked like: generally 15-17 pounds for plain strings and 17-20 pounds for wound strings, closer to 17 on the lowest, so it doesn't get too dull sounding from being inflexible. If you like lighter or heavier tension, adjust accordingly. Only you can decide what gauges work best for you.

    Unfortunately I cannot speak with personal experience in regard to that specific guitar, but hopefully this was helpful :)
     
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    As above, with attention to string gauge choices, you could easily use any of those tunings.

    The top six of my M80M are in E standard... and that's at 29.4" scale length. Drop A, Drop B, B standard are all perfectly doable and will sound great if you choose your strings wisely.
     
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    28' (twenty-eight feet) is too long of a scale length for any sort of conventional tuning, but 28" (twenty-eight inches) is fine in standard.

    Longer scale lengths with increase brightness, sustain, and clarity, in general. For a High E4, the limit is generally understood to be around 32" before the string starts to degrade under its own tension. Drop that down to 28" if you want to do crazy bends. Either way, 28" baritone is totally safe in drop A.
     
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    When it comes to a baritone 6er, I recommend 28" scale length. Having owned a 26.5", 27", and an Agile 28" (which is practically 29"), the Agile sounded best.

    Also, I had an Ibanez RGIR20FE, which is the standard scale version of that RGIB6, and the fret ends were sharp terrible, pickup was slanted, neck did not feel anything like a prestige. I would recommend that you get a different 28" baritone guitar, that is unless you can play it and check it out first before you buy.
     
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    My old 8 was 28" and I kept it standard with 9's and 10's.

    You'll be fine.
     
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    Lmfao, I would prefer 28 inches.. even though 28 feet would probably djent like a .............
     
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    Thanks for all the replies. It's pretty much down to this guitar or the Jackson SLATHX-M 3-7. The Jackson has a 26.5", but it comes with the Nazgul/Sentient pair, which is pretty amazing.
    I'd also consider a Mushok PRS if I could find one used at a good price, but I like the Ibanez better tbh.
     
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    have you looked at the fanned frets? the ibanez rgifm and the jackson slat7-ff
     
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    Another option would be warmoth. warmoth sells super strat bodies and necks, if you're into tinkering you could put together a 28" baritone super strat. It would cost a bit more but you can get a ton of specs that would be difficult to get from a production guitar.
    If that's not your thing then I'd recommend an ESP baritone (most of which are 27") or maybe an agile. Agile is probably the easiest way to test the waters and see if you like a 28" scale.
     
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    honestly, when I got my Schecter Damien 7 back in 2006, I had thought it was called a baritone guitar because of the low B string. I couldn't even notice that it was a longer scale. I wouldn't even really consider a 26.5" scale guitar a baritone guitar.
     
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    I have looked at the Ibanez Fanned Fret 7. It's about the same price as the RGIB6. It's an option, but it's only a 25.5-27. I don't feel that you really need fanned frets for anything under 28", but if the guitar is good then yeah I'd get it. Fanned frets would just be a bonus. And the Jackson is great too, but it's $850 I believe, which is substantially more expensive than the other guitars I am looking at
     
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    No ...., I was actually looking into that last night!
    It's expensive though.. and the scale length is 28 5/8 for warmoths. That seems massive for a 6. Might look kinda weird haha
     
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    Psht, traditional baritone guitars like the Fender Bass VI (strat) and Danelectro had ~30" scale lengths, and were designed to be tuned to B. 28 5/8" is child's play.
     
  16. KnightBrolaire

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    Agile is probably your best bet if you're not looking to spend a ton of money and want a 28" baritone, most production models (excluding the RGIB6 or bass VI style guitars like the Hellraiser VI) are going to be harder to find, especially in 6 string form. If you're open to more "traditional" baritones then reverend, hagstrom and danelectro also make 28" (or 29 3/4" in the case of the danelectro) baritones though .
     
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    I'm just going to leave my Warmoth Baritone 6 here as a counterpoint.
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    Wow. Looks great.
    I'd do Nazgul Sentient with locking tuners. Those are my two big things. I like the baritone 7 neck warmoth has too
     
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    Mine's not a superstrat but it is a warmoth baritone.
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    God damn that looks mean!
     

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