[Tech] How to Program Drums

Shikaru · 06-24-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TomAwesome

I'm curious about this, too. Anybody? I like to add EQ, compression, and some other stuff to my drum (and other MIDI VSTi) tracks, and this is probably the main thing that has stopped me from moving over from Fruity Loops (which actually has a really kick ass mixer setup)... that and I can't figure out how to import a MIDI track without making a new file, but that's beside the point.

I prefer Fruity Loops over Cubase for midi editing, but maybe that's just because I'm used to it. Also, I don't have access to my recording comp at the moment, but I think in FL under the "File" or some similar drop down menu in the piano roll window there's the option to import a MIDI file just into that pattern. Hope that helps, Tom.

TomAwesome · 06-24-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Shikaru

I prefer Fruity Loops over Cubase for midi editing, but maybe that's just because I'm used to it. Also, I don't have access to my recording comp at the moment, but I think in FL under the "File" or some similar drop down menu in the piano roll window there's the option to import a MIDI file just into that pattern. Hope that helps, Tom.

Yeah, I can do that in FL no problem. I also prefer using the FL piano roll because 1) I'm used to it, and 2) it seems to be a bit more flexible than Cubase's. The main reason I want to switch to Cubase is that I can use DFH and rename the "notes" so I know what I'm looking at instead of just having a keyboard to look at. FL lets you do that with the FPC, which is what I'm using now with DFH1 samples, but I'd like to use EZD (or DFHS if I can get my hands on it), and I just can't see myself being able to use it efficiently in FL

Shikaru · 06-24-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TomAwesome

Yeah, I can do that in FL no problem. I also prefer using the FL piano roll because 1) I'm used to it, and 2) it seems to be a bit more flexible than Cubase's. The main reason I want to switch to Cubase is that I can use DFH and rename the "notes" so I know what I'm looking at instead of just having a keyboard to look at. FL lets you do that with the FPC, which is what I'm using now with DFH1 samples, but I'd like to use EZD (or DFHS if I can get my hands on it), and I just can't see myself being able to use it efficiently in FL

Yeah that's true, the people at FL said it's a problem with the plugin so they won't do anything about it. I wouldn't worry about the lack of named notes though. I found it a bit confusing at first, but it didn't take long to get used to the general position of things and now I don't have any trouble at all

Leec · 06-25-2007, 11:49 AM

You can download drum maps for EZD and DFHS to use in Sonar and Cubase from the Toontrack website.
If anyone's interested, I've made my own maps for the DFH EZX. I can upload it if people need one.

robe108 · 07-09-2007, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leec

You can download drum maps for EZD and DFHS to use in Sonar and Cubase from the Toontrack website.
If anyone's interested, I've made my own maps for the DFH EZX. I can upload it if people need one.

please do!!!!

Leec · 07-13-2007, 11:07 PM

There's 2 in here. One for the EZD kit and one for the DFH EZX. I can't remember if I made this one for the regular EZD kit or not. I think I may have modified it so things aren't spread all over the place so much. But I definitely made the DFH EZX one.
Hope you find it useful, dude.

Groff · 07-16-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nik

Quick question: How am I supposed to turn up the crash cymbal and turn down the ride cymbal?

Both are controlled by the Mixer track 'Overhead' and I need to do this somehow, because my ride cymbal is always waaay too loud and the crash cymbal is waaaay too quiet.

Excellent tutorial, by the way

There is a "Mixer" in the EZDrummer window (That has the picture of the drums).

That is assuming you use the provided loops in EZDrummer and edit them like I do. (Saves time)

I have a question myself. Can I "Widen" the drum editor so that I can precisely get beats in between the whole notes? Or "zoom in" to the track?

Leec · 07-16-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMissing

There is a "Mixer" in the EZDrummer window (That has the picture of the drums).

That is assuming you use the provided loops in EZDrummer and edit them like I do. (Saves time)

I have a question myself. Can I "Widen" the drum editor so that I can precisely get beats in between the whole notes? Or "zoom in" to the track?

Actually, he can't do that with the mixer in EZD, both the ride and the cymbals come through the OH mic. The only thing you can do is input your cymbal hits at a high velocity and ride hits at a low one. But I (and many others) found the problem to be the reverse - the ride is just way too quiet.

A simple way to solve this is to program your cymbals on a separate midi track also assigned to play through the same instance of EZD. This allows you to still hear the project "whole" but you can export your cymbal hits separately from all the other OH mic data and render them on their own WAV file for separate editing later on. I used to do this with ride hits so I could boost them but not anything else that came through the OH's.

And for zooming in on the drum editor, sure - in the bottom right hand corner of the piano roll (drum editor) in Cubase there's a horizontal slider which will allow you to zoom in. Then simply change your graph to 8ths, 16ths, 16th triplets, etc.
There's also a vertical slider just above it to increase line space between each part of the kit (or key if you're not using a drum map).

Groff · 07-16-2007, 09:20 PM

Thanks Leec!

Leec · 07-17-2007, 12:06 PM

No worries, dude.

Groff · 07-18-2007, 09:30 AM

Got another question.

I know i've done this sort of thing before... But FL Studio is a bit akward to me...

How do you load up ezdrummer into FL Studio??

Could have sworn it was "Add>one more>VSTi>Quick scan"(or something like that) And then it would show up in the list?

muffgoat · 07-18-2007, 07:16 PM

Ok i am looking to get ez drummer with the dfh patch myself, does anyone here know how to use it with protools??

Leec · 07-18-2007, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMissing

Got another question.

I know i've done this sort of thing before... But FL Studio is a bit akward to me...

How do you load up ezdrummer into FL Studio??

Could have sworn it was "Add>one more>VSTi>Quick scan"(or something like that) And then it would show up in the list?

I haven't used FL, but that sounds like your adding the program to a list of VSTi's, not loading it for the current project.

Just googled it and got this:
YouTube - How to Add VST to your FL Studio Fruity Loops Project

itsallinmyh3ad · 07-30-2007, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMissing

Got another question.

I know i've done this sort of thing before... But FL Studio is a bit akward to me...

How do you load up ezdrummer into FL Studio??

Could have sworn it was "Add>one more>VSTi>Quick scan"(or something like that) And then it would show up in the list?

Yeah...can anyone help us out? I just got EZD with FL Studio 7, and I can make EZD come up, but I don't know how to program the drums. HELP!

TomAwesome · 07-30-2007, 04:42 AM

^ You'll have to use the piano roll. You'll need to get a chart or something that says what each key is, and you won't be able to use any drum maps like you will in Cubase. Just program the hits like notes.

itsallinmyh3ad · 08-05-2007, 04:00 AM

Dumb question here... I have a track that is at 175bpm, and now I want to make the track go from part a, which is 175bpm, to part b which is 135 bpm. How do I do that?

Ryan · 08-05-2007, 04:23 AM

open up your tempo track and edit the horizontal line to match the tempos you need in the areas you need them.

itsallinmyh3ad · 08-05-2007, 04:48 AM

I do that, but it just changes the tempo of the whole song, not just the particular part.

mustang-monk · 08-05-2007, 02:50 PM

awesome i finally get how to use ezdrummer with cubase

itsallinmyh3ad · 08-05-2007, 05:04 PM

C'mon! Someone help me, please!

h4x5k8 · 08-06-2007, 12:44 AM

Open the tempo track (ctrl+t) there should be a line going across signifying the set tempo across however many measures of your song. Now select the Pen/Pencil tool up at the top, and click on the temp track where you want the tempo change to be (the measure/time), a square dot will now appear, select the cursor instead of the pen now and move that dot to the desired tempo (or measure if you placed it wrong with the pencil). You can also change time signatures by using the pen but clicking at the top of the temp track where it shows a "4/4". Its hard to explain without pics, if i my studio comp wasn't in bios fritz I'd take some pics, but tough.

Hope that helped.

itsallinmyh3ad · 08-06-2007, 12:45 AM

Awesome. Now I got it. Thanks for the help man!

cow 7 sig · 08-09-2007, 11:29 AM

i have native instruments drumkit from hell 2.does this work the same way as detaild in the first post?and yes im running cubase sx..thanks for any help.

EDIT..i got ezdrummer working just fine,now to get the exp for drumkit from hell,or to get ni DRUMKIT FROM HELL 2 working.it doesnt even show up in cubase.

Horizon Whore · 08-14-2007, 08:24 AM

ok i have adobe audition, and drumkit from hell 2 lol i cant use it with adobe?

will i have to get cubase in my case? im a bit new to midi shit like this, but keen to make my own drum tracks

TomAwesome · 08-14-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Horizon Whore

ok i have adobe audition, and drumkit from hell 2 lol i cant use it with adobe?

If Audition supports VST and will let you program MIDI into that VST channel, then you can use DFH2.

06-25-2007, 11:49 AM	#54
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07-13-2007, 11:07 PM	#56
Leec Woopah! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Brighton, UK Posts: 1,424 Thanked: 59 $Leec is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Leec is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Leec is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Leec is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Leec is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Leec is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Leec is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	There's 2 in here. One for the EZD kit and one for the DFH EZX. I can't remember if I made this one for the regular EZD kit or not. I think I may have modified it so things aren't spread all over the place so much. But I definitely made the DFH EZX one. Hope you find it useful, dude. __________________ "You might as well be suckin' Wes Borland's no-talent dick if you play with any more than six strings on your fucking guitar." - A Blabbermouth genius Last edited by Leec; 12-20-2008 at 02:32 PM.

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07-18-2007, 09:30 AM	#61
Groff Medicine Chief/RHLC© Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: South Jersey Posts: 6,626 Thanked: 245	Got another question. I know i've done this sort of thing before... But FL Studio is a bit akward to me... How do you load up ezdrummer into FL Studio?? Could have sworn it was "Add>one more>VSTi>Quick scan"(or something like that) And then it would show up in the list? __________________ AHHH MOTHERLAND! All hail soviet Arktanistan-Groffistan! Formerly TheMissing

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07-18-2007, 07:16 PM	#62
muffgoat The Djentle Giant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 711 Thanked: 30	Ok i am looking to get ez drummer with the dfh patch myself, does anyone here know how to use it with protools?? __________________ www.myspace.com/gfap www.myspace.com/a3band www.soundclick.com/alphatrion Curt

07-30-2007, 04:42 AM	#65
TomAwesome I LIKE JUICE!!! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 7,326 Thanked: 38	^ You'll have to use the piano roll. You'll need to get a chart or something that says what each key is, and you won't be able to use any drum maps like you will in Cubase. Just program the hits like notes. __________________ "Tom, you're like 1 part a serious dork, and 2 parts the most awesome fucking guy ever." -

08-05-2007, 04:00 AM	#66
itsallinmyh3ad ...Made me do it. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,068 Thanked: 54	Dumb question here... I have a track that is at 175bpm, and now I want to make the track go from part a, which is 175bpm, to part b which is 135 bpm. How do I do that?

08-05-2007, 04:23 AM	#67
Ryan Hylian Metal Master Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Farthest Outpost Posts: 4,559 Thanked: 66	open up your tempo track and edit the horizontal line to match the tempos you need in the areas you need them.

08-05-2007, 04:48 AM	#68
itsallinmyh3ad ...Made me do it. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,068 Thanked: 54	I do that, but it just changes the tempo of the whole song, not just the particular part. Last edited by itsallinmyh3ad; 08-05-2007 at 02:37 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

08-05-2007, 02:50 PM	#69
mustang-monk ss.org Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: in bradfrod trying to writea dissertation at the last minute Posts: 236 Thanked: 2	awesome i finally get how to use ezdrummer with cubase

08-05-2007, 05:04 PM	#70
itsallinmyh3ad ...Made me do it. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,068 Thanked: 54	C'mon! Someone help me, please!

08-06-2007, 12:44 AM	#71
h4x5k8 LooP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Capitalist Theocracy Posts: 45 Thanked: 0	Open the tempo track (ctrl+t) there should be a line going across signifying the set tempo across however many measures of your song. Now select the Pen/Pencil tool up at the top, and click on the temp track where you want the tempo change to be (the measure/time), a square dot will now appear, select the cursor instead of the pen now and move that dot to the desired tempo (or measure if you placed it wrong with the pencil). You can also change time signatures by using the pen but clicking at the top of the temp track where it shows a "4/4". Its hard to explain without pics, if i my studio comp wasn't in bios fritz I'd take some pics, but tough. Hope that helped. __________________ Seppuku Graveborn

08-06-2007, 12:45 AM	#72
itsallinmyh3ad ...Made me do it. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,068 Thanked: 54	Awesome. Now I got it. Thanks for the help man!

08-09-2007, 11:29 AM	#73
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Horizon Whore Resident Southpaw Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Warrnambool/Victoria, Australia Posts: 197 Thanked: 4	ok i have adobe audition, and drumkit from hell 2 lol i cant use it with adobe? will i have to get cubase in my case? im a bit new to midi shit like this, but keen to make my own drum tracks

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