[noodles]

I stick by my point that it is easy to be pro-life when you are a man. Men don't have to go through pregnancy. Women do.

Even if you look at adoption as the end result, that is nine months of morning sickness, sore feet, hormonal imbalance, weight gain, mood swings, stretching skin, sore breasts, bladder pressure, water retention, and weird food craving, just to name a few of the multitude of changes that undergo a pregnant woman's body. This all culminates in 6-18 hours of escalating pain. Pregnancy takes a permanent toll on a woman's body, and unless motherhood is her goal, it is a lot to ask a woman to do. Mothers complain about sagging breasts, stretch marks, weight gain, and a stretched vaginal opening that they can never completely recover from. A man cannot alleviate any of this. He cannot take any of it upon himself. It renders his opinion pretty moot.

If a fetus could live outside of a woman's body, then yes, it would be murder. However, it cannot. That's because it is not a human yet. It's a developing human. You don't see people having an abortion at six months, because it is no longer just a fetus. How can we ask a woman to put herself through this if she does not want to? Hell, we won't even re-institute the draft to fill a troop shortage during a war.

If one is going to argue the point that abortion is murder, then where do you draw the line? What if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant? Is murder justified to spare woman's emotional well being? We won't put the rapist to death, so why put the fetus to death? How about incest? What about congenital birth defects? If the fetus has something that is going to result in permanent, severe mental retardation, do we condemn the parents to sacrifice the rest of their lives caring for little more than vegetable? What if the mother's life is at risk? How do you determine which life is more important, the baby or the mother?

How many homeless, starving people do we have in this world today? How many unwanted babies are left as wards of the state. Maybe we should clean up the problems we have before we add more.

[The Dark Wolf]

[JBroll]

Want to be pro-abortion? Not just pro-choice, pro-full-on-baby-killing? Work with public school failures for a month.

Jeff

[Makelele]

Originally Posted by JBroll

Want to be pro-abortion? Not just pro-choice, pro-full-on-baby-killing? Work with public school failures for a month.

Jeff

I'd think I'd be considering post-natal abortion at that point.

[ohio_eric]

I worked as a substitute teacher for almost two years and I'm still pro-life.

[noodles]

I support the 186th trimester abortion of our president.

[ohio_eric]

I support giving Bush a lovely ranch and library all his own on Pluto.

[noodles]

Originally Posted by ohio_eric

I support giving Bush a lovely ranch and library all his own on Pluto.

Do that, and within eight years, Pluto will have shifted orbit, crashing into Neptune, wrecking the layout of the entire outer solar system.

[JBroll]

But it'll be the Democrat's fault...

Jeff

[HammerAndSickle]

Originally Posted by The best page in the Universe

I have a different stance on abortion: I'm against abortion, but for killing babies. That way everyone loses, and I win. I'm neither pro choice, nor pro life; I'm pro you-shutting-the-hell-up. The only way I'd be "pro choice" is if it meant I could choose which babies I could abort, and only then if I could lift the age restriction to 80. I was at this mall the other day watching some shitty documentary when I came out of the theater and saw old people dancing to country music in the courtyard. I couldn't remember the last time I saw a group of people begging this hard to be aborted.

Maddox rules in terms of politics.

Anyway, this has gone more than a little off-topic, I think. Unless we're aborting fetuses because of their religious beliefs.