[Jachop]

There's bad eggs everywhere. In religion and in atheism. If, however, he truly wishes to be as fair and balanced as he seems to want to be - ignoring the fact that many bad eggs is in the religious basket is a disaster and gives everything he said a subtle hint of pro-lifery.

[Naren]

^What's wrong with pro-lifery?

[Nick]

Originally Posted by HammerAndSickle

That's bad enough, but that just makes you an immature jerk for infringing on the rights of others. What makes you a downright bad person is believing that other people are inferior to you because of their beliefs. This is where atheism fails: the majority opinion of them is that atheism is the "scientific" or "logical" or "intellectual" discourse. By believing that your religion (or lack thereof) is more logical than another, you're basically saying that the other religion's supporters are stupid or ignorant. That's prejudice, plain and simple.

I get what your saying but to me anyway beleif in god is completley ridiculous it comes across to me as insanity. People who believe things are there which they have no proof of are insane. If some guy came up and said a big fat man in a red suit landed his sled and raindeer in his garden last night, jumped out gave me a big sack of gifts and flew off shouting ho ho ho noone can say it didnt happen, unless they were there to see it not happen. To me a belief in god is based on the same logic. Why then is the guy who actually believes in santa called insane and the guy who believes in god is generally accepted as a logical individual in society.

Theres also the issue that religious people can come off as just clinging to religion because they cant accept the fact that in the end no matter how good you were and what you did we are all going to the same place, the ground. A lot of atheists find religon to be a way of doing this to that idea.

I could go on..... If people want to be religious im cool with it im not going to try and convert them but i do think they are crazy i wont lie about that.

[The Dark Wolf]

Originally Posted by Nick

i agree that there are a lot of said atheists out there who are just as he describes. however if he is going to do his research on youtube he may as well say that all guitarists are whiny little bitches who argue constantly amongst themselves like children because he looked at harmony central and saw lots of evidence of this.....

Good point, Nick.

But I think we can all see there's extremists on both sides. Like anything. For me, the whole discussion is largely irrelevant, as the motives for people to fight are usually just the thin veneer of justification for what is really ape behavior. Show Chimpanzee Group A Chimpanzee Group B, and voila! They fight. But we like to believe we do and say what we do because we care so much. Maybe some, but if we evolved from... I dunno, grasshoppers, we'd likely have much different ways of looking at disputes. No matter how "right" one side might be (or think they might be. )

And FTR, while I believe in God, I'm not insane. At least not legally speaking.

[arktan]

Originally Posted by Naren

I could use YouTube as evidence that humanity is disgusting slime and should be annihilated off the face of the planet.

We need evidence for that?


Who is this guy anyway who wrote this article? It might aswell be a radical christian who tries to persuade non-extremistic people that atheists are generally evil.
This could work aswell for this woman who rejected christianity (just the other way around)
This just crossed my mind, especially such texts (be it against atheists or religious people) are to be taken with a grain of salt and with lots of caution because they sound so nice and balanced while the subconscious message is rather discriminating...

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

And FTR, while I believe in God, I'm not insane. At least not legally speaking.

Show me one person who is NOT insane
we're all insane but some a bit errrrrr.... differently or errr.... more than others.... and the form of insanity which is the most common is considered "normal"

[Nick]

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

Good point, Nick.

But I think we can all see there's extremists on both sides. Like anything. For me, the whole discussion is largely irrelevant, as the motives for people to fight are usually just the thin veneer of justification for what is really ape behavior. Show Chimpanzee Group A Chimpanzee Group B, and voila! They fight. But we like to believe we do and say what we do because we care so much. Maybe some, but if we evolved from... I dunno, grasshoppers, we'd likely have much different ways of looking at disputes. No matter how "right" one side might be (or think they might be. )

And FTR, while I believe in God, I'm not insane. At least not legally speaking.

true there is no point in the argument becuse there will never be a winner because you cannot disprove something which may or may not exist.

maybe we should just all be friends

[The Dark Wolf]

Yay!

That's my philosophy, at any rate. Live and let live.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

And FTR, while I believe in God, I'm not insane. At least not legally speaking.

Well thats my point really. People who are really strongly against religion are probably quite mistified and irritated that someone like you who is logical to them in general believes in god which they find totaly crazy?!? Its probably this irritation they feel that leads to the 'militant' atheists.

I have to say i agree to an extent but at the end of the day im going to act on it the same way as i would with someone who plays a fender guitar. i think they are crazy too, but im not going to go out and shout abuse at them about it.

[ohio_eric]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

To prove a point? I Don't see whats wrong with that. On top of it, they got a free book. I'd openly deny god for a free book.

Though i am not one, i feel the militant atheists are a necessary evil to combat the whackjob fundamentalists, so the rest of us can live someplace in the middle.

Combating fanatics with fanaticism is never good. Everyone just ends up looking batshit crazy.

[The Dark Wolf]

Originally Posted by Nick

Well thats my point really. People who are really strongly against religion are probably quite mistified and irritated that someone like you

Why should they be irritated at what I believe? I'm not irritated at atheists or agnostics.