[hairychris]

Good luck dude.....

[unconventional]

3rd day on zoloft, or whateve the new name is. Feel like shit. Tired, but no anxiety. Just feel weird. Hopefully it subsides. Boners aren't a problem, but finishing? FORGET IT. I'm told I have to take this for life? DOC

I can't be convinced that by a doctor looking at me, can diagnose I have a chemical imbalance. BULLFUCK. Until there's a blood test to prove my seratonin levels aren't where the should be, it's just a guess as far as I'm concerned.

Here's something. When I was writing down affirmations and repeating them throughout the day, imagining and meditating daily, I had zero problems. Since the baby was born, I stopped all that. Says something about the power of meditation. I'm not going to spend my life depressed because my thing wont work to completion. I'm on the meds for a while, then I'll feel better again.

It's the fear that gets me. Not knowing what happens at the end. Will my fucking memory be erased and I put back on this sorry ass planet again? What's the sense of loving anybody in this life if that happens. I fucking hate reincarnation. I want to die and go to heaven like I was told throughout all my childhood as a christian. But now I've come to believe in reincarnation and I don't accept it. I want answers and there are none. This is my constant though. What's going to happen and pain is coming. It's inevetible.

All I want is fucking peace. I'd throw everything away for some peace.

[TemjinStrife]

I hear you man. I'm currently still fighting my way through my own depression... peace would be nice. Here's hoping that things work out for both of us.

[unconventional]

Well, I stopped the zoloft, or whatever the new name is for it. Stuff is fucking horrible.

Instead I did a little research and figured out my problem. I'm not going to open my mouth yet till a good week goes by, but so far, after a few hours of research I think I figured it out.

I went to the store and got some of this and within 1/2 hour the feeling of dread I've been carrying around with me for the past 2 months is gone. I got up, felt fine worked out, took some more and feel 100%.

I don't want to sound like I'm holding something back, but don't want to hear from any naysayers either so here it is. Two links that will greatly help I think.

Role of Diet in Mental Health - Food As Self-Medication

Amazon.com: The Diet Cure: Julia Ross: Books

[JBroll]

Best advice I can give is to stop looking for cures. You'll get swindled left and right, and at the end of the day if your salvation doesn't come from yourself you're just begging to be used.

Jeff

[unconventional]

Well the zoloft makes me feel worse than the anxiety itself. Plus my unit not functioning?

FUCK SSRI's

[Jongpil Yun]

Yeah, OK, quit 3 days in. I'm not going to lie or withhold information from you (I'm not a naturopath) -- SSRIs only work on just over half of depression sufferers. But quitting after three days because of the initial hecticness?

You want some kind of blood test to show you have a serotonin deficiency before you'll believe SSRIs are the right treatment? What are they going to compare your current serotonin levels to? Your own baseline? I wonder how they would figure out what your baseline serotonin level should be. Hm...

Lipton is a quack ha? I guess anyone that tries to help people is a quack in your opinion.

Oh, spare me. You want to know what a quack is? Someone who peddles faulty medicine either knowingly out of abject greed or sloppy thinking and standards of evidence.

Sometimes people don't want to go with the typical brainwashing of modern medical science.

Brainwashing? Such as? The evidence says what the evidence says. You can read the papers and decide for yourself. There's no such thing as "alternative" or "complementary" medicine. The shit either works, or it doesn't. Is that so hard to understand?

You sould like the typical Medical student ready to be or in the process of being brainwashed. Sometimes books and science can't account for things chief.

Oh yes, typical true believer ad hominem, I've been "brainwashed". If your miracle cures worked, it could be shown to work by science, even if the mechanism is fundamentally impossible to know.

I'm not trying to argue with you, you have some valid points, but when it comes down to it, doctors are no better than butchers. They give you fucking poison to get rid of cancer.

Yes, we should be giving the cancer rainbows and candy. I'm sorry, what? Doctors are no better than butchers? Then let's have half of the population go see a butcher and half go see an MD and let's see which half has a better quality of life.

There are other options and people have created miracles. Why is this not common place? I don't know, supression of information?

Ooh, so now we're getting into the conspiracy theories.

PROTIP: I've been bought off by the medical-industrial complex. The Men in Black will be there to pick you up shortly, and you will be taken to our secret CIA holding cell in Area 51 where you will be deprogrammed.

Look up Dr. Gerson or Joanna Budwig. There's lots of options out there for cancer other than the drano. Of course there's going to be more stats on the drano (chemo) because more people go that route.

Questionable Cancer Therapies

Gerson. Are you freaking kidding me? How's this sound for efficacy. "A naturopath who visited the Gerson Clinic in 1983 was able to track 21 patients over a 5-year period (or until death) through annual letters or phone calls. At the 5-year mark, only one was still alive (but not cancer-free); the rest had succumbed to their cancer."

FYI there's no evidence that Johanna Budwig's diet works either.

All the well done studies on any of that shit have come up negative. I wonder why?

Here is Anita's story for anybody who has faith in anything other than the physical and the "experts" and "scientists" and "guessers" state of beliefs.

I don't need to have faith in medicine. Do you think this is a fucking religion or something? Do I need to have faith that my desk is right in front of me? No, my desk is fucking there. I can touch it, see it, hear it, smell it, and if I want to, I can fucking taste it. No faith involved. State of beliefs? This is not a state of belief, this is following the evidence wherever it leads. If coffee enemas, no sodium intake, drinking gallons of fruit juice, and eating raw calf liver can cure cancer, then by all means, I want every motherfucker with cancer out there doing it, pronto. But it doesn't work! There's no reason to believe it works, there's no evidence that it works, so why believe that it works?

Faith. God, you're killing me here.

:: Anita Moorjani :: NDERF Original Dialogue English

I don't see a shred of documentation there. Or am I missing something?

[The Dark Wolf]

Jognpil Yun, a word of advice - lose the condescending, prickish attitude when you post. Quit being so argumentative and dismissive of other people's opinions. You feel different? Fine. But show a little more respect for the opinions of others.

I fucking mean it.


You're doing jack shit to help out a guy who has a serious problem, except be an asshole, trying to fucking debate everything.

[Jongpil Yun]

I'm doing jack shit to help him? Yeah, well I'm not his doctor, and neither are you. Other than telling him I think he should give his Zoloft regimen a chance (4 days != a chance) and consulting his doctor before making major medical decisions like that, what can I do? Obviously the guy already had deep seated issues with doctors or the concept of evidence based medicine in the first place, so is it really any surprise? No, all I can do is try and correct the errors he's spewing out.

You want me to stop being condescending? He's spitting in the face of every man from Hippocrates and Galen to Mario Capecchi and Martin Evans who has dedicated his life to curing the sick and healing the wounded, who has bought and paid for the extra forty fifty years of cushy life we now enjoy with their sweat, tears, and sleepless nights. He's insulting the memory of every physician who has had the guts to stand up to the uncomfortable reality that medicine is imperfect, that what may save a thousand may kill one, and still had the courage to do what is best for the patient given uncertain knowledge, limited resources, and too little time, instead of succumbing to wishful thinking and magical methods.

But honestly, whatever. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. If you want to tell him to follow the advice of a woman with a PhD from a diploma mill, and two other bullshit degrees that are basically a meaningless string of letters following her name, and he wants to listen to you, that's fine. He's a grown man, he can do whatever the hell he wants. I'm done here.

PS: An opinion is Vai vs Malmsteen. An opinion is Ibanez vs Schecter. Whether or not a treatment is safe and effective is not a matter of opinion.

[The Dark Wolf]

What-the-fuck ever.

It's HOW you're presenting your information. Guess what? Another moderator told me to outright ban your ass after the last time I told you to chill out.

As for myself, thanks for taking all kinds of shit out of context, twisting everything around, and turning it all into an argument. You nailed it - you're not his doctor. The book was just a link to some information. If it fucking works, then use it. I managed to overcome this shit, not through doctors, and certainly not following advice from holier-than-thou pricks like yourself.

But regardless, any more of your fucking miserable TONE, turning this thread into a fucking political debate, you will be banned.

End of story.