[IamOthello]

Gallup, one of the most renowned polling companies did a national poll in 2004 that showed : 13% of the people surveyed believes evolution to be true.

The remainder of the people believe either (45%) God created everything in its existence and the world is less then 10,000 years old or, (38%) believe evolution to be GUIDED by God.

Is there anyone here that does not buy into the beautiful idea of the genius Charles Darwin?

If you do not believe in Evolution, would you care to tell me why? Because I honestly can't figure out where there could be any doubt, after knowing the facts, if evolution is true or not.

[BigPhi84]

I will admit that I fall into the 38%. I don't like talking about sex, religion, or politics to people though, as I feel that those beliefs and choices are very personal and are also greatly influenced by your life experiences. I'm not going to try to convince you to believe the way as I do... that would be proselytizing and I'm not here to do that. I love this place because the threads are interesting but more importantly, most of the people here are cool, funny, and open-minded.


Besides, does it really matter what other people think when it comes to this? I'm sure there are buttloads of other widely held beliefs that we could scoff at, such as "Walmart is the best place to shop at and get great deals", even though we all know that Walmart is the devil. LOL. Or, Subway's a great place to "Eat Fresh", even though everything comes pre-cut in bags. As long as you are concrete in what you believe, the views held by other people shouldn't matter. Anyways, I feel like I've talked too much, so I'll shut up now.

Keep on rockin', dude,
Phi ^_^

[JBroll]

Science has precisely fuck-all to do with personal experience - as it's said, the plural of 'anecdote' is not data - and is not a matter of opinion. This is a result of inadequate education or brainwashing, plain and simple.

Jeff

[D-EJ915]

lol, well from the wording of your post I can tell the intention of this

[envenomedcky]

While I'm definitely not trying to jump into any sort of religious debate, based on tons of evidence, evolution is something that is pretty much fact. I can't understand people who think the world is less than 10,000 years old. The 38% I can understand to an extent, because even though you have religious beliefs, you don't let that overshadow evidence that suggests the world has been around for billions of years, and that its inhabitants didn't just come into existence. Evolution definitely does not fit in with christian beliefs though. Because if man was created in god's image, we could not have evolved.

Again, I'm not trying to have any sort of religious "debate". But there's never anything wrong with a friendly discussion

[silentrage]

If people were required to actually LIVE by what they believe in then I'm sure they'd believe in evolution in a hurry. For instance, you should be denied the swineflu vaccine if you don't believe in evolution, because that's what it is, and since it doesn't exist, you won't get treated for it. Jehobo's witnesses should not be allowed blood tranfusion in case of emergengies, because they believe it taints their immortal souls.
Etc etc etc.

[Setnakt]

Originally Posted by IamOthello

If you do not believe in Evolution, would you care to tell me why? Because I honestly can't figure out where there could be any doubt, after knowing the facts, if evolution is true or not.

There's yer problem.

This is about an Ignorant Design vs Evolution case in court.


This one starts 2 minutes in unless you want to see their credentials.

[MF_Kitten]

gah, i´m getting so tired from this whole damn thing. i wish i could just make it all go away.

yeah, i´m an atheist, on the side of science, believe in evolution, all that.

i´m too tired to even care about explaining anything right now, but i will add that my religious fiancé believes that evolution is happening and all that, but she doesn´t believe our ancestors were "apes" so to speak. she believes that we were created as humans by god, but she has no objection against the idea that we weren´t the modern human back then, but a bit more primitive. in other words, she believes that we were created as more primitive erect humans, and changed over time to become what we are now. it´s close enough for me, considering she´s a christian, and christians usually just oppose the whole damn thing out of principle, just because, without even giving a shit. i´m proud of her for even comparing the whole thing and thinking about it to form an opinion about it (which she does about every issue, actually), as it really means she doesn´t just follow the heard and hate what the other christians are hating.

[IamOthello]

Originally Posted by BigPhi84

Besides, does it really matter what other people think when it comes to this? I'm sure there are buttloads of other widely held beliefs that we could scoff at, such as "Walmart is the best place to shop at and get great deals",

Phi ^_^

I don't want to scoff at your views Phi. I just want to try and figure out why you could deny something with such an immense amount of evidence that is continually growing.

:]

Originally Posted by MF_Kitten

i´m too tired to even care about explaining anything right now, but i will add that my religious fiancé believes that evolution is happening and all that, but she doesn´t believe our ancestors were "apes" so to speak.

Kitten no scientist ever said we came from apes... We came from common ancestors around 5 million years or so.

and also, I am not trying to spark religious debates. I'm simply asking WHY does not someone believe in Evolution. Because once you actually learn almost all the evidence, you learn that it is widely accepted as scientific fact.

Originally Posted by D-EJ915

lol, well from the wording of your post I can tell the intention of this

And as I stated above, I am not trying to spark a religious debate. I just can't figure out why there is so much evidence people continue to keep themselves blind from.

[hairychris]

FWIW, an entertaining read is the judgment from the Dover trial:

http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmil...miller_342.pdf

Yes, it's a legal judgment, but the smack that is laid is absolute genius. The judge (Republican, conservative, etc) was, ermmmm, not impressed by the IDers arguments or the general bullshit from their side.

Edit: Oh yeah, and evolution is a fact. I can't remember who it was who said "You're entitled to your own beliefs, but not to your own facts" but they're dead on.