Scale length question

Oogadee Boogadee · 01-19-2008, 09:11 AM

i sold a 25.5 guitar and i have a gibson 24.75 or whatever they are.

i noticed that when i hit chords hard (or, as hard as i did on my old guitar), the pitch of the initial attack drops an instant, then the chord blossoms into the correct pitch.

is there an inverse relationship between a scale length and the ability to 'throw' a string into a bigger vibration wave length, thus getting an instantaneous low worrbally note? Do longer strings have more 'flexibility' in that their string tension is enough to counter a given blow by my pick?

I have a gibson flying v.

i remember seeing a live clip of Machine Head (rob is using a gibson v), and the attack on their chords had a short pitch-dip. I thought it was just because they were really getting into the performance and hitting really hard. would this not have happened on a larger scale guitar?

is there a solution like string gauge or something?

i'd hate to have to return this guitar b/c i love it; however, I like to strum like i mean it.

Desecrated · 01-19-2008, 09:14 AM

You need slightly thicker gauge to compensate for the slightly shorter length.

Oogadee Boogadee · 01-19-2008, 09:21 AM

ah. i have d'addario xl110. maybe i'll try the heavy bottoms

Apophis · 01-19-2008, 09:45 AM

you should and even use thicker highs

Oogadee Boogadee · 01-19-2008, 12:28 PM

thanks for the answers, btw.

also - i'm still curious... is it b/c of the less tension (consequence of the shorter scale)? i have noticed, even with a 25.5, when i detune to the extreme, i get the worbles..

soldierkahn · 01-19-2008, 12:41 PM

this set will fix your problem PERFECTLY, and youll barely feel the diff

Daddario EXL 110+ (10.5 - 48)

tension issue solved....theyre the strings i use for standard

necronaut · 01-22-2008, 06:56 AM

Does your V have a tremolo? Correct me if i'm wrong but if you're hitting the strings that hard you may be manually slackening the strings by pulling on the tremolo bridge. You may have to tighten the springs at the back.

FortePenance · 01-22-2008, 07:04 AM

It's because the string has less tension on this shorter neck so it's easier to hit out of tune temporarily. Going up a string gauge usually solves the problem for me. So if you run 9-42s, try 10-46s.

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01-19-2008, 09:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
Oogadee Boogadee ss.orggy biscuit Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 982 Real Name: James Main Seven: Gibson gtrs. Pearl Drums Rig: Mesa Roadster Thanked: 8	Scale length question i sold a 25.5 guitar and i have a gibson 24.75 or whatever they are. i noticed that when i hit chords hard (or, as hard as i did on my old guitar), the pitch of the initial attack drops an instant, then the chord blossoms into the correct pitch. is there an inverse relationship between a scale length and the ability to 'throw' a string into a bigger vibration wave length, thus getting an instantaneous low worrbally note? Do longer strings have more 'flexibility' in that their string tension is enough to counter a given blow by my pick? I have a gibson flying v. i remember seeing a live clip of Machine Head (rob is using a gibson v), and the attack on their chords had a short pitch-dip. I thought it was just because they were really getting into the performance and hitting really hard. would this not have happened on a larger scale guitar? is there a solution like string gauge or something? i'd hate to have to return this guitar b/c i love it; however, I like to strum like i mean it. www.divisionusa.com www.myspace.com/division www.myspace.com/oogadeeboogadee www.myspace.com/seventhsonmd www.randyellefson.com www.myspace.com/randyellefson www.www.com.com

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01-19-2008, 09:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
Oogadee Boogadee ss.orggy biscuit Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 982 Real Name: James Main Seven: Gibson gtrs. Pearl Drums Rig: Mesa Roadster Thanked: 8	ah. i have d'addario xl110. maybe i'll try the heavy bottoms

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Apophis ROTER CUSTOM GUITARS Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 8,402 Real Name: Sebastian Main Seven: I need more strings :) Main ERG: RCG 9 & 10 string Rig: Line6 Thanked: 50	you should and even use thicker highs

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Oogadee Boogadee ss.orggy biscuit Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 982 Real Name: James Main Seven: Gibson gtrs. Pearl Drums Rig: Mesa Roadster Thanked: 8	thanks for the answers, btw. also - i'm still curious... is it b/c of the less tension (consequence of the shorter scale)? i have noticed, even with a 25.5, when i detune to the extreme, i get the worbles..

01-22-2008, 06:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
necronaut ss.org Dunce Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 6 Main Seven: Ibanez RG7321 Rig: Line6 Spider III Thanked: 0	Does your V have a tremolo? Correct me if i'm wrong but if you're hitting the strings that hard you may be manually slackening the strings by pulling on the tremolo bridge. You may have to tighten the springs at the back.

01-22-2008, 07:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
FortePenance twoheadsarebetter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 3,297 Real Name: Simon Rig: Microcube Thanked: 20	It's because the string has less tension on this shorter neck so it's easier to hit out of tune temporarily. Going up a string gauge usually solves the problem for me. So if you run 9-42s, try 10-46s.


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