[T_money419]

Sounds cool. Not sure about hollowing out the body for the trem block though

[Apophis]

really nice

[Durero]

I've met the inventor - Sheldon Lavineway - who did custom trem work for me years ago.

I've seen & tried this design and it's a fantastic one. Sheldon's been prototyping & refining for years.

It performs as advertised.

Originally Posted by shadowgenesis

sounds like any other floating trem, except it's attached to a toneblock which is suspended on springs instead of just being suspended on strings...
either that or i don't understand what the hell they're talking about

Yeah I don't think you've understood how the zero-position system works, and I don't blame you because the animation is missing the springs which would make the functionality much more obvious.

The zero-position function works the same way the Ibanez Zero-Point (Backstop) system does. So, although you can pull up & down, there is a strong neutral point (zero-position) so the bar is not fully free-floating like a Floyd or Kahler.

[vansinn]

@Durero: the vids, using only distorted sounds, dosn't reveal any potential 'clicks' when the bar meets the zero-position resting point. Got a comment on that? A clean tone and slow use vid would be nice..

Their website mention potential wear on the Graphtec pins. Doesn't seems to be rollers; maybe not needed.
It looks like graphite pins but could be a the teflon-impregnated polymer Graphtec use for some of their other products.
I resently had very good discussions with them about such materials. If that's what's used. it's very hard'n'slippery. Comments?

[thedonutman]

So basically, does it just move the trem/string block as opposed to the whole bridge while having a tremsetter thing too?

[HamBungler]

Originally Posted by thedonutman

So basically, does it just move the trem/string block as opposed to the whole bridge while having a tremsetter thing too?

Yeah, that's the basic idea. The backstop idea is pretty cool, its basically a block that allows the bridge to rest and stop on a solid point, but it can also move when it needs to, like when you dive with the bar.



This shows the basic idea behind the backstop.

[TheMissing]

Interesting system... But to me it looks like a floyd without lock nuts and fine tuners... And I wonder if it makes a click noise when the tone bar comes in contact with the spring noise. Especially for heavy trem work.

I'd like to get my hands on one to dissect it so I can see how it works with my own eyes.

It almost looks like as if floyd rose and kahler had a baby.

[Durero]

Originally Posted by vansinn

@Durero: the vids, using only distorted sounds, dosn't reveal any potential 'clicks' when the bar meets the zero-position resting point. Got a comment on that? A clean tone and slow use vid would be nice..

Their website mention potential wear on the Graphtec pins. Doesn't seems to be rollers; maybe not needed.
It looks like graphite pins but could be a the teflon-impregnated polymer Graphtec use for some of their other products.
I resently had very good discussions with them about such materials. If that's what's used. it's very hard'n'slippery. Comments?

You can adjust how strong or weak the zero-positioning force is - the looser it is the closer you get to a full floating feel, the tighter it is the more abuse, retuning, string breakage it can handle without throwing the rest of the strings out of tune. Like I say it's very similar to the Ibanez Zero-Point system, they both use a layer of cushioning material so that when the tone block meets the back-stop bar there's little or no contact sound.

Having tried it I wouldn't expect to hear any clicks when the bar meets the zero-point unless you remove the cushioning material and set the trem action at maximum stiffness.

[Durero]

Originally Posted by TheMissing

It almost looks like as if floyd rose and kahler had a baby.

Indeed

[Desecrated]

They sell these at thomann for 145 dollars.

There would be no problem fitting it to this guitar right ?