A 6 for low tuning

[Nick]

check out Welcome to Guitarbargains.com ! youl get a lot of guitar for Your $2000 there.

Still if you order from a US Luthier you could get a really nice custom for that sort of cash.

Originally Posted by zimbloth

The ESP I mentioned isn't 2000 USD, it's $1300 USD. I really think thats the best production model 6-string guitar you can get (new) for that price - apart from a Carvin.

youd be correct, i own one

[cvinos]

Oh my! See in other places, the US and maybe elsewhere, the ESP Horizon NT-II is dirt cheap in comparison with the price in Germany. Look, for example this dealer based in Frankfurt sells it for not less than 2.250 USD!

ESP Horizon NT II See Thru Black - Modern Style E-Gitarren Musik-Schmidt Frankfurt

This guitar is beautiful and has decent features. How I wish it was a similar price here.

Originally Posted by zimbloth

Welp, there goes your credibility. I don't even know how to respond to that. Just purely silly. I like Schecters but there is NO COMPARISON to a Carvin. There's no debate. It's not even a fair fight. Even Schecter wouldn't argue that. It's a mass produced guitar thats nice for the price but generally fairly mediocre, compared to a custom shop guitar using the best materials in the world. The build quality on the Carvin is just exponentially better. I have serious doubts you've ever owned a Carvin guitar.

Also they're not pricey at all, what the hell are you talking about? They can be had for under $1000 USD NEW - and that includes stock features like neck-thru, ebony board, premium woods, sperzel locking tuners, etc. He said his budget was $2000 USD, why would he buy a $400 Schecter? They're nice for the price but they do not compare.

There have been some threads about the price regarding carvin, so do a search for them.

I've owned 2 carvin guitars, and a total of 7 custom guitars so I'm not just a a "Guitar World reading wannabe." But as I said taste differs from all. I don't think the carvins are worth there price. And I think that schecter is more then worth there price. If you think that questions my credibility that's up to you.

What someone needs is up to them. Some people are fine with light gauges. That's up for him to decide. There's no rule regarding strings.

I'm sorry if you don't like my attitude, I have nothing personal against you but I have an obligation to Sevenstring.org to protect innocent civilians from misinformation

You know that there are a reason why bass manufacturers make there 5-string bass longer then there 4-string bass.
It all comes down to personal preferences but there is a mathematical logic behind string gauge and scale length.

[FortePenance]

Originally Posted by cvinos

Oh my! See in other places, the US and maybe elsewhere, the ESP Horizon NT-II is dirt cheap in comparison with the price in Germany. Look, for example this dealer based in Frankfurt sells it for not less than 2.250 USD!

ESP Horizon NT II See Thru Black - Modern Style E-Gitarren Musik-Schmidt Frankfurt

This guitar is beautiful and has decent features. How I wish it was a similar price here.

Yeah, my friend's friend had one in amber sunburst and it looked incredibly beautiful. Sounded pretty killer too!

Originally Posted by cvinos

Oh my! See in other places, the US and maybe elsewhere, the ESP Horizon NT-II is dirt cheap in comparison with the price in Germany. Look, for example this dealer based in Frankfurt sells it for not less than 2.250 USD!

ESP Horizon NT II See Thru Black - Modern Style E-Gitarren Musik-Schmidt Frankfurt

This guitar is beautiful and has decent features. How I wish it was a similar price here.

if the guitars costs 1300 euro in the states the shipment to Germany would be no more then 80-150, I've gotten away with 50 euro in shipment sometime. It might be worth e-mailing them and asking if they ship to your town and what it would cost.

[Nick]

u need to check the price on that site i quoted u can get a see thru black horizon for about 1350 euros

[cvinos]

I wonder what is the difference between the models:

Horizon NT
Horizon NT II
Horizon NT II FM

They have all these listed on that site. The last two are the same price.
On the ESP homepage I cannot find the information.

[Nick]

the FM is for flame maple

I own the one on the ESP page in dark brown sunburst (dbsb)

i believe the NT's are swamp ash and the NT II's are mahogony

[cvinos]

For down tuned sounds as low as A or Bb standard, I am wondering if the JB does the job in bridge or middle position, or if I should get a SH-5...

I have in mind a three humbucker setup like

Neck Middle Bridge
JB SH-5 SH-5
JB SH-5 JB
JB JB SH-5

Something like that. I want to get dense yet defined, not muddy, mids and lows, with just enough treble on top. Any suggestions?

[zimbloth]

Originally Posted by cvinos

I wonder what is the difference between the models:

Horizon NT
Horizon NT II
Horizon NT II FM

They have all these listed on that site. The last two are the same price.
On the ESP homepage I cannot find the information.

Just get one imported. Hell, I wouldn't mind buying it for you, I ship guitars overseas all the time. BTW here are pics of the one I owned:

[The Dark Wolf]

Enough on the go around. Nick had his say, Desecrated had his, fin.

You guys are seriously derailing guy's thread. Take it to PM if you want to argue.


Gorgeous top on that axe, BTW Nick.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by zimbloth

Just get one imported. Hell, I wouldn't mind buying it for you, I ship guitars overseas all the time. BTW here are pics of the one I owned:

i own that exact guitar

Im haveing some serious issues with fret buzz at the moment did you ever have that problem?

[zimbloth]

Originally Posted by Nick

i own that exact guitar

Im haveing some serious issues with fret buzz at the moment did you ever have that problem?

Really? Interesting.

No I didn't have any noteworthy fretbuzz, mine played great. What tuning/strings are you using?

[FortePenance]

Hot guitar, Zimbloth! It's the exact colour of the one I've seen IRL.

Cyinos, if you get the ESP, how are you going to install 3 pickups?

[JBroll]

Maybe a Caparison, in that range?

Jeff

[Nick]

yeah the HGS range fits the bill perfectly and i wholeheartedly recommend caparison guitars as i own one of them 2

[cvinos]

Originally Posted by Ejaculadhesive

Cyinos, if you get the ESP, how are you going to install 3 pickups?

I was thinking about getting a guitar from the ESP custom shop with three humbuckers, controlled N+M+B, N, M, M+B, B. Horizon body, Ebony fretboard, neck-through, 27", string-through, fixed-bridge. However that would amount to something in the range of 4000$, a bit pricy

What a flexibility in terms of distortion that would be!

[Nick]

try about $6000 for that

some ESP customs come to £4000 ($8000)

[Stitch]

Originally Posted by Nick

yeah the HGS range fits the bill perfectly and i wholeheartedly recommend caparison guitars as i own one of them 2

What Caparison do you have? Did you get it from guitarguitar?

Originally Posted by JBroll

Maybe a Caparison, in that range?

Jeff

I'd second that, Caparisons are guitars that sound ....ing GREAT drop tuned. Those pickups just snarl when tuned below D - in standard they sound like they're being, I don't know, held back slightly.


BTW, I'm gay.

[FortePenance]

Originally Posted by cvinos

I was thinking about getting a guitar from the ESP custom shop with three humbuckers, controlled N+M+B, N, M, M+B, B. Horizon body, Ebony fretboard, neck-through, 27", string-through, fixed-bridge. However that would amount to something in the range of 4000$, a bit pricy

What a flexibility in terms of distortion that would be!

ESP custom shop is grossly overpriced, like Nick said.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by stitch216

What Caparison do you have? Did you get it from guitarguitar?



I'd second that, Caparisons are guitars that sound ....ing GREAT drop tuned. Those pickups just snarl when tuned below D - in standard they sound like they're being, I don't know, held back slightly.


BTW, I'm gay.

Its a Dellinger 2 in pro black which i believe they had brought through from the edinburgh shop for me.