[NiCkMiLnE]

tone specifically in the wood is from the density, weight and finish.

with neck thru, you want to use stronger woods for the neck portion, as they are tighter for the tone usually and reduce mud, as well as give the neck stability.
then if you use somthing like mahogany for the wings it gives the tone that girth, as the resonance of the body also affects how the pickup will magnetise the string.

good combinationm and you will see is very common is maple laminates with magohany wings.

[Kakaka]

When luthiers and guitar players say that neck-thrus have more sustain than any other neck joint, they don't mean any neck-thru... it's likely that a Krappy custom neck-thru will have less sustain than an Universe.

And I strongly disagree that the greater sustain in a neck-thru is a myth.

It's a plain physical fact:

The sound we listen to is the result of mechanical waves propagation, which doesn't occur without the presence of a material mean.

All particles in a body hold a certain amount of energy, which allows the matter to keep it's properties.

All particles in a body have a certain region upon which their positions may vary. The stronger the bond a particle has toward another one, the more smaller that region will be, thus yielding their geometry (display in space) to be more rigid.

Waves are basically energy travelling across space. When a wave hits a body, part of it's energy can be converted into work such as temperature raise or mechanical vibration.

Now, this is a generic wood particle electron in a normal day:
(normal oscilation range)
Then, one day Hoshino Gakki Inc. chops it's tree down and builds a LACS Xiphos for Muhammed.
And the particle goes like (with an ENGL Powerball):
(wider, energized oscilation range)

What happens is that when that particle was struck by the sound wave, part of it's energy was retained by the particle and raised it's energy level causing it to shake harder(!).

Tip: The higher the density of a wood is, the better it's sound wave transmission is, because it's particles are strongerly bound, causing very small wave attenuation or absorption.

In a neck-thru body, the continuous link of many wood particles provide a true free lane for the sound waves that pass all the way through it up to the pickups and hardware.

In a bolt-on, the non-natural bond of bolts introduce an abrupt mean shift for the waves, causing some of the sound waves to be absorved by that separation surface and some to be reflected back into the neck.

Of course we should take the refraction phenomena in account, but that would only give the neck-thru some extra points.

[TheMissing]

Originally Posted by Kakaka

When luthiers and guitar players say that neck-thrus have more sustain than any other neck joint, they don't mean any neck-thru... it's likely that a Krappy custom neck-thru will have less sustain than an Universe.

And I strongly disagree that the greater sustain in a neck-thru is a myth.

It's a plain physical fact:

The sound we listen to is the result of mechanical waves propagation, which doesn't occur without the presence of a material mean.

All particles in a body hold a certain amount of energy, which allows the matter to keep it's properties.

All particles in a body have a certain region upon which their positions may vary. The stronger the bond a particle has toward another one, the more smaller that region will be, thus yielding their geometry (display in space) to be more rigid.

Waves are basically energy travelling across space. When a wave hits a body, part of it's energy can be converted into work such as temperature raise or mechanical vibration.

Now, this is a generic wood particle electron in a normal day:
(normal oscilation range)
Then, one day Hoshino Gakki Inc. chops it's tree down and builds a LACS Xiphos for Muhammed.
And the particle goes like (with an ENGL Powerball):
(wider, energized oscilation range)

What happens is that when that particle was struck by the sound wave, part of it's energy was retained by the particle and raised it's energy level causing it to shake harder(!).

Tip: The higher the density of a wood is, the better it's sound wave transmission is, because it's particles are strongerly bound, causing very small wave attenuation or absorption.

In a neck-thru body, the continuous link of many wood particles provide a true free lane for the sound waves that pass all the way through it up to the pickups and hardware.

In a bolt-on, the non-natural bond of bolts introduce an abrupt mean shift for the waves, causing some of the sound waves to be absorved by that separation surface and some to be reflected back into the neck.

Of course we should take the refraction phenomena in account, but that would only give the neck-thru some extra points.

GREAT explaination... You get a cookie!

[8string]

say what???

[Kakaka]

With oat flakes and raisins?

[Rev2010]

What I'd like to know is:

On an electric guitar it's the electromagnetic field of the pickups detecting the vibrations of the strings and sending it to your amp which then converts it into audible sound. How does the wood density and vibration get carried by an electromagnetic pickup designed to pickup vibrations from metal strings? In other words, how exactly does body tone get transferred to the pickups?

I know tone is a fact, you can hear the differences easily. I'm just curious as to the way the wood tone is transferred. Any explaination would kick ass!

*EDIT - Wait... I just thought on this for a second. I'm guessing the wood has an effect on the nuances of the string vibrations?


Rev.

[OzzyC]

Originally Posted by Rev2010

*EDIT - Wait... I just thought on this for a second. I'm guessing the wood has an effect on the nuances of the string vibrations?


Rev.

It's all EQ.

[Atomic_gerbil]

Every wood on the guitar is going to affect tone in some way, on levels of severity. In fact, I just ordered an RGT42FX not 2 days ago, because I myself liked the neck through and the awesome fretwork of the RGT's. (rivals Prestige, IMO)

[Kakaka]

Way cool question.

The thing is that we have waves at different frequencies and wavelengths.

See, we usually talk about low, mid and high frequency sounds.

The way the wood can affect the tone is through absorving (attenuating in physics) some waves of certain frequencies more than others, so there won't be much energy at that especific frequency for the pickup to 'pick'.

There's too much complex physics in this, like studying ressonant frequencies of matter but summing it up:
- high density woods tend to have richer harmonics, because their attenuation rate is low. That's why neck-thrus are usually very bright sounding.
- low density woods ten to absorb more harmonics and higher frequencies, with noticeably higher attenuation rate. It allows some Les Pauls to have a 'warmer' sound, which is basically a more pronouncedly middy voice.

IMPORTANT:When the original sound sources are perfectly periodic, the note consists of several related sine waves (which mathematically add to each other) called the fundamental and the HARMONICS, partials, or overtones.

So, the wood affects tone by 'reaping' some frequencies more than others, leaving less energy at some frequencies to disturb the pickups magnet electromagnetic field, which is the main cause of METAL!!!


http://www.gojira-music.com/audios/t...emembrance.mp3

[8string]

Interesting thread, me like! sucking this up like a sponge....

Now get a thread like this on pickups and I'll be a happy camper..