Good value in very old guitar? Gibson question.

Fillifax · 04-01-2012, 04:58 AM

Hey SS

I'm looking for a new guitar for some old-time blues/rock playing. I've been looking at Gibsons for that sweet, fat tone.
I've come across a very nice looking Les Paul goldtop on a danish forum.
The positive thing is that I really, really dig the looks, and it's in excellent condition, but what makes me worried about buying is that it is VERY old (1958!) so I'm worried about wear and tear and the general condition; especially since it's priced at about the same as a brand new Les Paul Studio! (Round about 1400 euro/1200£).

So what do? Get the old Gibson, which looks stunning but is OLD (though well taken care of) or get the brand new Studio where I know the condition is perfect?

Asrial · 04-01-2012, 05:10 AM

Send me a link, I'll take an inspection.
I'm quite tipping towards the relic already, but the condition it is in will have to say a lot, and the Studio series is a quite hefty guitar too.
And if you even decide to change pickups on the relic (which is ....ing heresy, but oh well)... I'll take them.

Fillifax · 04-01-2012, 05:15 AM

As said, the condition is really good. It has been taken well care of. Can't link, it belongs to my friend who inherited it from his dad, but he doesn't play guitar himself, so he's selling it.

Anyways, I'm kinda thrown off by the fact that it comes with stock pickups. I'll most likely just replace them with EMGs anyways.

Also, it says its a Les Paul Custom. Does this have any signifiance? And is 1200£ too much for a 1958 Les Paul Custom goldtop?

Bigfan · 04-01-2012, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Fillifax

And is 1200£ too much for a 1958 Les Paul Custom goldtop?

Fillifax · 04-01-2012, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigfan

It really isn't a fake. The guitar is 100% legit. As said, it's a friend selling it as he inherited it from his father.

BucketheadRules · 04-01-2012, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Fillifax

And is 1200£ too much for a 1958 Les Paul Custom goldtop?

It's way, way, WAY too little. I'd think you would be looking more towards ten to twenty grand for a genuine '58 Gold Top, even one that's a little beaten up. If he really wants £1200 for it, run away. Unless he just really doesn't know what it's worth.

Unless you mean £12,000, which is probably closer to being right.

As for a '58 sunburst... they can go for hundreds of thousands.

EDIT: Check out the approx. values at the bottom of this page:

http://vintage-guitars.blogspot.co.u...l-goldtop.html

Quote:

Vintage Price Value For 2007 :
1952 - 1955 > $35 000 to $85 000 ( prices vary depending on features )
1955 - 1957 > $65 000 to $100 000 ( tune o matic bridge, p-90s .....)
1957 - 1958 > $$55 000 to $95 000 ( p-90 pickups )
1957 - 1958 > $130 000 to $175 000 ( PAF humbuckers ,bigsby... )

Jesus.

Run. It's almost certainly a fake.
Also, if you do get it and put EMGs in it, and it turns out to be real... I'm assembling an angry mob and coming to Denmark to find you.

Fillifax · 04-01-2012, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BucketheadRules

It's way, way, WAY too little. I'd think you would be looking more towards ten to twenty grand for a genuine '58 Gold Top, even one that's a little beaten up. If he really wants £1200 for it, run away. Unless he just really doesn't know what it's worth.

Unless you mean £12,000, which is probably closer to being right.

As for a '58 sunburst... they can go for hundreds of thousands.

EDIT: Check out the approx. values at the bottom of this page:

Vintage Gibson Guitars: Gibson Les Paul Goldtop

Jesus.

Run.

I know it's genuine. I've known this dude all my life, and his dad, too. Actually, I think his dad may have bought it back in the sixties or something. I know he's had it for a loooong time.

But, I've made up my mind, I'm going with the Studio (even though I see some of you think the '58 is a good value). Reason is because my local place is offering me to put in some EMGs really cheap.

Bigfan · 04-01-2012, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Fillifax

I know it's genuine. I've known this dude all my life, and his dad, too. Actually, I think his dad may have bought it back in the sixties or something. I know he's had it for a loooong time.

But, I've made up my mind, I'm going with the Studio (even though I see some of you think the '58 is a good value). Reason is because my local place is offering me to put in some EMGs really cheap.

Dude, you could make a probably hundreds of thousands of danish kroner on that thing. Jump on it, then

ara_ · 04-01-2012, 06:31 AM

Wow what an awesome thread.
I don't get your reasoning though, OP. If you're so sure that the 58 Gold Top is real, why don't you buy it and resell it for a huge profit? Or at least tell your friend that it's worth a lot more than he thinks.
And why the hell do you want EMGs for "old-time blues/rock playing"?

Fillifax · 04-01-2012, 06:46 AM

Someone REALLY ought to check the date right about now...

ara_ · 04-01-2012, 06:51 AM

->

Whoopsie

Asrial · 04-01-2012, 06:58 AM

April fools does not apply to ss.org, unless hosted by the mods or Stealth.

Bigfan · 04-01-2012, 06:59 AM

Well played.

BucketheadRules · 04-01-2012, 07:36 AM

Oh, well played.

You absolute .....

metale · 04-01-2012, 07:44 AM

Oh ups... I have already bought the plane ticket to Denmark

traditional · 04-01-2012, 07:51 AM

Had a feeling you were trolling, considering you said it was on a danish forum at first, then, said it was your friends' dad's. Good try though, well played.

Alberto7 · 04-01-2012, 07:57 AM

Wtf man. I was all ready to go on a rant about how you have absolutely no ....ing idea of how collectible old Gibsons are and how everyone and their mothers were going to be beat the shit out of you for putting EMG's in it

.

This might truly be the most unanticipated April Fools joke I've ever heard of.

Well played, my friend

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04-01-2012, 04:58 AM	#1
Fillifax ss.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Denmark Posts: 181 Thanked: 4 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Good value in very old guitar? Gibson question. Hey SS I'm looking for a new guitar for some old-time blues/rock playing. I've been looking at Gibsons for that sweet, fat tone. I've come across a very nice looking Les Paul goldtop on a danish forum. The positive thing is that I really, really dig the looks, and it's in excellent condition, but what makes me worried about buying is that it is VERY old (1958!) so I'm worried about wear and tear and the general condition; especially since it's priced at about the same as a brand new Les Paul Studio! (Round about 1400 euro/1200£). So what do? Get the old Gibson, which looks stunning but is OLD (though well taken care of) or get the brand new Studio where I know the condition is perfect?

04-01-2012, 05:10 AM	#2
Asrial Heaviest brony Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Sorø, Denmark Posts: 1,233 Thanked: 21 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Send me a link, I'll take an inspection. I'm quite tipping towards the relic already, but the condition it is in will have to say a lot, and the Studio series is a quite hefty guitar too. And if you even decide to change pickups on the relic (which is ....ing heresy, but oh well)... I'll take them. The Asrial Project Bandcamp The Asrial Project Soundcloud The Asrial Project Twitter The Asrial Project Facebook JeffFromMtl: Anyone who says sex is over-rated is doing it wrong. I don't care how good your stupid toffee brioche pudding is. Myself: Han shot first

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04-01-2012, 05:15 AM	#3
Fillifax ss.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Denmark Posts: 181 Thanked: 4 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	As said, the condition is really good. It has been taken well care of. Can't link, it belongs to my friend who inherited it from his dad, but he doesn't play guitar himself, so he's selling it. Anyways, I'm kinda thrown off by the fact that it comes with stock pickups. I'll most likely just replace them with EMGs anyways. Also, it says its a Les Paul Custom. Does this have any signifiance? And is 1200£ too much for a 1958 Les Paul Custom goldtop?

04-01-2012, 06:31 AM	#9
ara_ SS.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 116 Thanked: 4 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Wow what an awesome thread. I don't get your reasoning though, OP. If you're so sure that the 58 Gold Top is real, why don't you buy it and resell it for a huge profit? Or at least tell your friend that it's worth a lot more than he thinks. And why the hell do you want EMGs for "old-time blues/rock playing"?

04-01-2012, 06:46 AM	#10
Fillifax ss.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Denmark Posts: 181 Thanked: 4 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Someone REALLY ought to check the date right about now...

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metale SS.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Portugal Posts: 163 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Oh ups... I have already bought the plane ticket to Denmark

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traditional SS.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia. Posts: 203 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Had a feeling you were trolling, considering you said it was on a danish forum at first, then, said it was your friends' dad's. Good try though, well played. Check out my band; www.facebook.com/beneaththerisingtide www.myspace.com/beneaththerisingtide

04-01-2012, 07:57 AM	#17
Alberto7 At Fort Kickass Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Montréal, QC Posts: 2,036 Thanked: 16 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Wtf man. I was all ready to go on a rant about how you have absolutely no ....ing idea of how collectible old Gibsons are and how everyone and their mothers were going to be beat the shit out of you for putting EMG's in it . This might truly be the most unanticipated April Fools joke I've ever heard of. Well played, my friend Sum, ergo cogito; cogito, ergo dubito; dubito, ergo cogito; cogito, ergo sum.

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