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Unread 02-01-2011, 04:41 PM   #1
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What guitar am I describing?

I'm about at my wits' end trying to find a guitar that'll do. I know whatever I get I'll be happy with, but I can't satisfy myself enough that I want something to let go of the money.

I play a lot of very jazzy music, but like to rock out every now and again, I do have a UV though so it doesn't need to cover any extreme territory.

Here's what I like...

High end, don't want a Schecter or something, it'll most likely be USA made, but I haven't ruled out the Japanese brandfs
Double cut, strat-like shape (not SG type).
Ideally bolt on, but not crucial.
Rosewood or Ebony boards, generally Rosewood. Not Maple though.
I'm not fussed by 22 or 24 frets, I'd probably take 22 if I was doing a custom build, but it's not crucial.
It has to have a trem, this is essential.
Mahogany or Alder body.

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PRS Customs (which I'm revisiting), but they're pricey
Jackson USA Soloists but they're very bright, I already have an RR1 and they're pretty hard to find around here
Ibanez JEM's, one of which I've already had and as cool as they are, they're not for me and I have a UV
Music Man, Morse or Petrucci, but I've had a Petrucci and just didn't clck with it, I can't for the life of me find a standard Morse with a trem that isn't blue. I hate blue!
ESP, been there, done that, had 2 standards and got bored of them. Don't like the 'image' they carry, as gay as that sounds.

Anybody? I'd appreciate any sensible suggestions...

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Unread 02-01-2011, 05:21 PM   #2
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Carvin? They've got a number of bolt-on models and I'd say the quality is pretty high-end.

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I couldn't try one, too risky. Very very good suggestion though, i'll see if there's anything Carvin for sale around London.

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Jazzy, but rock out... I'm with the above. Carvin. Holdsworth model in particular.
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Suhr, just bought a pro modern, since you don't want maple you can get them with Pau Ferro which I understand is similar to rosewood. I don't know what their pickups are like for really jazzy stuff but they certainly aren't high output.
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PRS CE series, theres a particularly nice CE22 on eBay right now that shouldn't go for a whole load.
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^what he said + a set of P-Rails for ultimate versatility
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What about a Music Man Silhouette? They're American made, Strat-like shape, bolt on neck, can have rosewood or ebony fretboard. Sounds like the guitar you described to me.

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Carvin? They've got a number of bolt-on models and I'd say the quality is pretty high-end.
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I couldn't try one, too risky. Very very good suggestion though, i'll see if there's anything Carvin for sale around London.
Carvin bolt ons are quite excellent, they are about as good as you can do for a reasonable price without going full custom. They are often overlooked due to the low USA price (I know they gouge internationally unfortunately), but are on par with their other builds, they do not have less awesome, just easier to build so cheaper.

I have a contour, you have seen the mods I did to that guitar so I thought it was worth while (those mods on whole are around 500+$) on a guitar that was 1300 USD at the time or something (+ shipping etc)

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How about a Caparison TAT/Dellinger/Horus? If I had money this is what I'd go for.
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Never mind, didn't see the no ESP at first, sorry.

Although, it sure does sound like you want an ESP (except without what ever image you have of them)!

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Don't forget to look in to G&L.

EDITED TO ADD: Like maybe a Legacy Deluxe.

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OP- you're looking for high-end, but the PRS SE Torero at about $1k looks like it would match most of your criteria. They are sharp-looking and I've heard good things.

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EDITED TO ADD: Like maybe a Legacy Deluxe.

A very good point, I overlooked them (shame on me) but those should be available to try in the UK. That onei s ridiculous. They have a knew steel saddle/steel block trem out too the "DFS" (dual fulcrum steel) as well as added SS frets as an option (but wouldn't do it for me in August...)

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Tom Anderson guitars are super nice, but they have a hefty price tag for the most part, but they have some of the most unbelievable tops I've ever seen.

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A very good point, I overlooked them (shame on me) but those should be available to try in the UK. That onei s ridiculous. They have a knew steel saddle/steel block trem out too the "DFS" (dual fulcrum steel) as well as added SS frets as an option (but wouldn't do it for me in August...)
I'm GASing pretty damned hard for an SC-2 these days.
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I think you want a USA Jackson DK1. It's exactly what you want. It can be had for just over £1200. Comes in loads of different finishes. You're bound to find one you like. Plus, Jackson quality is top notch. Amazing guitars.

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I'd personally recommend the SL2H-MAHQ or the SL2H-MAH.
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Mmmm lots to think about...

Amazing response thanks.

I've always digged the Jacksons, they're definitely right up there in the list.

PRS I like the idea of, but have played literally hundreds of the buggers and have never quite connected with one. Then again, I've never been playing one with the intention of buying, just noodling. My shop was a pretty big PRS stockist until recently...

I really really really really like Tom Anderson, but new they're just way out of my price range, and trying a used one has proven pretty tough. One of Tom Andersons I tried I absolutely fell in love with but it belongs to a friend of mine and me loving it makes him love it even more because he knows I don't have it!

Suhr are too expensive I think, unless a good used one comes up in the states. Nice on paper, but again the ones I've tried I've never quite bonded with. I'd probably take an Anderson over one anyhow and they're cheaper used...

I was planning on picking up an SSS Silo in the near future anyway, so that doesn't come into this. I like them, but not for my everyday stuff.

I hate G&L, don't ask me why, I don't know lol.

I unfortunately associate Vigier with cheap shit, they sold some pretty awful imports around the EU for a long time and I've never gotten that image out of my head, I'll have a look for one though. They do seem to be in that Anderson/Suhr kinda boat, which again I'd probably take an Anderson from. Good thought though.

If I were swayed by a Caparison, I'd save myself a couple of grand and buy a 1995 Japanese Dinky, nicer headstock, same build, sold. Some japanese guitars just lack soul...

I've never played a J-Custom and I'm not taking a gamble that expensive. I've definitely seen some I'd love to own for not too bad money though.

I think that covers it.

Thanks dudes, I'll rep some folks and get back onto google/ebay.

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There's plenty of used J-Customs that go for a fraction of the price of a new one. They usually turn up on the bay or the other Japanese stores like Ikebe.

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Suhr Modern? Or classic. Great quality guitars. You're looking for humbuckers or singles?
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