[Jason]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

not every black person speaks in ebonics.

and your point is......

[Rick]

Originally Posted by DslDwg

Yeah wasn't Philly the town that pelted Santa Claus with snow balls?

And cheered when Michael Irvin hurt his neck.

[Popsyche]

Originally Posted by DslDwg

Yeah wasn't Philly the town that pelted Santa Claus with snow balls?

Stop the Philly bashing until you've been here! That Santa story is an old one. Typical of the sports team ownership of the time. They really sucked bad!
The network announcers are the worst, just rehashing the same old stories. Philly fans are some of the best in the world. Don't listen to those assholes.

[Suho]

I guess McNabb just doesn't realize the truth that there is no racism in this country, or city, anymore. I am sure he will be relieved to find THAT out!


Shadowgenesis, for the record, I think you are right on the money. [and kudos for the Mitch Hedburg sig.]

I am not going to touch the N word debate, because it is clear that some people here understand it, and some choose to believe the comfortable fiction they have either created or bought into. The latter are unlikely to change and I really don't have the energy for this discussion on SSO.

I don't know what races my fellow forum members are here, but I would just like to state that if one has never experienced racist behavior/actions/discrimination personally, it is easy to discount the effect it has (especially cumulatively), or its very existence. I mean, we all want to think that we are past the days of segregation and Jim Crow, right? We all want to believe the nation is a great enlightened melting pot.

However, is it possible that an African-American athlete, like McNabb, may have had experiences which seemed (and may have been) racist to him? Experiences that perhaps others (like here on this forum) have not had, and cannot identify with?

Whether or not his personal view on this is correct, he is correct in acknowledging that racism exists. I am surprised nobody mentioned Jimmy the Greek yet. Oh, right, that was like 20 years ago, so of course any racism associated with that must have disappeared.

I don't really follow football, so I can't say whether I agree with McNabb or not, but since this is the guy's profession, it is safe to assume he is not speaking out of ignorance. Don't you think he watches a lot of commentary and coverage about his primary competitors? The smart money is that he does. He probably knows exactly what is being said about the other QBs.

Remember, (I am paraphrasing) he isn't claiming he doesn't deserve criticism, he is claiming that in proportion to the amount deserved, race seems to have been a factor in how much criticism was actually made (or something like that).

[jacksonplayer]

Originally Posted by NickCormier

Even Brady, isnt as talented as McNabb, just has the best fucking team around him.

I'm sick to death of Brady and the Patriots, but he's a zillion times more accurate as a passer than McNabb and probably the best QB in the league, just ahead of Manning. McNabb is a good QB, but he's never been accurate enough to go to the top with the passing game that the Eagles use. He'd do better in a Mike Martz-style offense, where his ability to throw the deep ball would work better.

Originally Posted by Popsyche

Philly fans are some of the best in the world.

The jail at Veterans Stadium must have been installed for novelty value, then.

[Popsyche]

Originally Posted by jacksonplayer

The jail at Veterans Stadium must have been installed for novelty value, then.

Yeah and all 60,000 in attendance were sent there every game. Stop the generalizations! There are a couple knuckleheads at every city that get drunk and arrested every game. The Vet jail was actually pretty funny, as judge Seamus was such an Eagles fan. Also, in the new Field, most of those knuckleheads have been priced out.

[GH0STrider]

Originally Posted by Jason

and your point is......

Go up to a black person and call them a "......" and then come back here and report what happened. If you make it back...

[Jason]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

Go up to a black person and call them a "......" and then come back here and report what happened. If you make it back...

Originally Posted by Jason

Sure. GO say "......" to a black person and not "....." GO say "......" which black people don't say to begin with and get back to me on what happens..

[GH0STrider]

Originally Posted by Jason

Dude, clearly you don't understand much that you read. lets clarify for you

1. not all black people use the word "....." or speak with that dialect.
2. the term "......" is equally offensive to an african american when refered to by someone outside their race.

so, maybe you should spend more time around african americans before making a bullshit argument based on sterotypes.

[Suho]

Can't we all just get along?